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		<title>By: Cranston</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-39647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cranston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 04:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with this. She shouldn&#039;t have published the off-the-record comments. Doesn&#039;t excuse the AP but doesn&#039;t reflect well on Ms. Bao either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this. She shouldn&#8217;t have published the off-the-record comments. Doesn&#8217;t excuse the AP but doesn&#8217;t reflect well on Ms. Bao either.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Charged in USC Shootings - China Digital Times (CDT)</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-7386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Two Charged in USC Shootings - China Digital Times (CDT)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 21:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the death penalty. The case stirred up resentment of China&#8217;s growing income inequality when early reports falsely referred to the students&#8217; &#8220;brand new&#8221; &#8220;$60,000&#8243; .... From Reuters:Two men accused of fatally shooting a pair of Chinese graduate students at the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the death penalty. The case stirred up resentment of China&#8217;s growing income inequality when early reports falsely referred to the students&#8217; &#8220;brand new&#8221; &#8220;$60,000&#8243; &#8230;. From Reuters:Two men accused of fatally shooting a pair of Chinese graduate students at the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weibo Outrage Over Sydney Attacks - China Digital Times (CDT)</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Weibo Outrage Over Sydney Attacks - China Digital Times (CDT)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In contrast, many reactions to the LA shootings expressed vitriol toward the victims, after it was prominently and falsely reported that they had been driving a $60,000 BMW. April 24, 2012 1:33 AMPosted By: Samuel WadeCategories: China &amp; the World, Information [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In contrast, many reactions to the LA shootings expressed vitriol toward the victims, after it was prominently and falsely reported that they had been driving a $60,000 BMW. April 24, 2012 1:33 AMPosted By: Samuel WadeCategories: China &amp; the World, Information [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; The Situation Is Excellent: The Week That Was At Beijing Cream Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; The Situation Is Excellent: The Week That Was At Beijing Cream Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] most-commented post so far was Tuesday&#8217;s &#8220;A Story About Journalism,&#8221; in which I wrote about how a small Associated Press editing mistake led to a whole lot of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] most-commented post so far was Tuesday&#8217;s &#8220;A Story About Journalism,&#8221; in which I wrote about how a small Associated Press editing mistake led to a whole lot of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jing</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with you on the preach of journalistic ethics by publishing off-the-record quote, especially considering Angela Bao worked at New York Times Shanghai Bureau before. There is no way that a NYT staff writer can get away with using quotes without  the speaker&#039;s consent, no matter how controversial the quote itself is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you on the preach of journalistic ethics by publishing off-the-record quote, especially considering Angela Bao worked at New York Times Shanghai Bureau before. There is no way that a NYT staff writer can get away with using quotes without  the speaker&#8217;s consent, no matter how controversial the quote itself is.</p>
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		<title>By: In the Middle of a Forest, Furiously Attacking Random Trees &#124; ChinaGeeks &#124; analysis and translation of modern China</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In the Middle of a Forest, Furiously Attacking Random Trees &#124; ChinaGeeks &#124; analysis and translation of modern China]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] AP reporter (Greg Risling) is criticized, some of his private correspondance is published online, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: China Punks 10: Let the Branding Begin! &#171; China Punks</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China Punks 10: Let the Branding Begin! &#171; China Punks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The Implications Of One Small Associated Press Editing Error Beijing Cream [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: bmw_price_check</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3137</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bmw_price_check]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 02:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shouldn&#039;t the real call out for lack of journalistic integrity NOT be the statement of a fact (that the victims were in a BMW) but rather the completely bogus price of $60,000?  A 3-series does not cost this much. Everyone knows that. 

In fact their seems to be no outrage that the race of the victims was mentioned. Suggesting the AP write that the victims were shot &quot;in a car&quot; (rather than BMW) suggests the story should announce that &quot;3 human beings we killed in a motorized vehicle from wounds inflicted by little pieces of metal in an area near a place of learning on the planet earth.&quot;  Details are what make a story.

Additionally, why are we complaining at all they the writer tried to make the story sound more interesting? The whole point of journalism is to sell papers and drive traffic to websites to sell advertising. Journalists never tell facts, they spin them through their presentation of facts, the quotes they choose to use, and the adjectives they select. That&#039;s why we have media labels such as liberal, conservative, mainstream, independent, etc. They tell the &quot;same&quot; story from a different angle and with a different bias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the real call out for lack of journalistic integrity NOT be the statement of a fact (that the victims were in a BMW) but rather the completely bogus price of $60,000?  A 3-series does not cost this much. Everyone knows that. </p>
<p>In fact their seems to be no outrage that the race of the victims was mentioned. Suggesting the AP write that the victims were shot &#8220;in a car&#8221; (rather than BMW) suggests the story should announce that &#8220;3 human beings we killed in a motorized vehicle from wounds inflicted by little pieces of metal in an area near a place of learning on the planet earth.&#8221;  Details are what make a story.</p>
<p>Additionally, why are we complaining at all they the writer tried to make the story sound more interesting? The whole point of journalism is to sell papers and drive traffic to websites to sell advertising. Journalists never tell facts, they spin them through their presentation of facts, the quotes they choose to use, and the adjectives they select. That&#8217;s why we have media labels such as liberal, conservative, mainstream, independent, etc. They tell the &#8220;same&#8221; story from a different angle and with a different bias.</p>
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		<title>By: John Artman</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Artman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the fact that witnesses (people living in the area) said that crime wasn&#039;t a big problem there anymore.  One women said the last time she saw violence in the area was 2003]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the fact that witnesses (people living in the area) said that crime wasn&#8217;t a big problem there anymore.  One women said the last time she saw violence in the area was 2003</p>
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		<title>By: China Readings for April 18th &#124; Sinocism</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-3030</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[China Readings for April 18th &#124; Sinocism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#187; A Story About Journalism (Or, Why Details Matter): The Implications Of One Small Associated ... &#8211; AP screwed up USC Chinese students shooting, gets embarrassed on Weibo [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Custer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*correction of a correction: just kidding, I was right the first time, she&#039;s at Columbia J-school. She&#039;s definitely a journalist, and has a large collection of published stories here: http://angelabaobeibeiclips.tumblr.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*correction of a correction: just kidding, I was right the first time, she&#8217;s at Columbia J-school. She&#8217;s definitely a journalist, and has a large collection of published stories here: <a href="http://angelabaobeibeiclips.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow">http://angelabaobeibeiclips.tumblr.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-2955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Custer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*slight correction: she&#039;s a &quot;journalism student&quot;, so perhaps not actually in J-school, it&#039;s not clear. Regardless, studying journalism means practicing journalism, which means that (a) she IS a journalist and (b) she&#039;s probably taken an entire class recently on journalistic ethics, and this sort of situation is pretty basic stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*slight correction: she&#8217;s a &#8220;journalism student&#8221;, so perhaps not actually in J-school, it&#8217;s not clear. Regardless, studying journalism means practicing journalism, which means that (a) she IS a journalist and (b) she&#8217;s probably taken an entire class recently on journalistic ethics, and this sort of situation is pretty basic stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Custer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Risling should lose his job because...why, exactly? The &quot;new&quot; bit was changed by an editor. The photo caption certainly wasn&#039;t Risling either. And the quote you&#039;re upset about does seem relevant, given that it comes from someone in the same location and community who also seems to believe the make/model of the car is relevant to the crime. I don&#039;t think it &quot;passively implies they deserved it&quot; at all. What it implies is that maybe driving a BMW in that area isn&#039;t a great idea, perhaps a lapse in judgement. That&#039;s probably true, and it&#039;s certainly relevant information to convey in a news story, but I&#039;m not sure how you jump from that to &quot;they deserved to be murdered.&quot; 

So, Risling should be fired because he mentioned the car&#039;s make earlier in the story than some other news stories you read, and because he quoted a source who you disagree with? That&#039;s pretty weak.

As for Bao, like I said in the other comment, she&#039;s a journalism student. There&#039;s no way she &quot;didn&#039;t know&quot; about this rule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Risling should lose his job because&#8230;why, exactly? The &#8220;new&#8221; bit was changed by an editor. The photo caption certainly wasn&#8217;t Risling either. And the quote you&#8217;re upset about does seem relevant, given that it comes from someone in the same location and community who also seems to believe the make/model of the car is relevant to the crime. I don&#8217;t think it &#8220;passively implies they deserved it&#8221; at all. What it implies is that maybe driving a BMW in that area isn&#8217;t a great idea, perhaps a lapse in judgement. That&#8217;s probably true, and it&#8217;s certainly relevant information to convey in a news story, but I&#8217;m not sure how you jump from that to &#8220;they deserved to be murdered.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, Risling should be fired because he mentioned the car&#8217;s make earlier in the story than some other news stories you read, and because he quoted a source who you disagree with? That&#8217;s pretty weak.</p>
<p>As for Bao, like I said in the other comment, she&#8217;s a journalism student. There&#8217;s no way she &#8220;didn&#8217;t know&#8221; about this rule.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Custer</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-2950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Custer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She is a student at Columbia Journalism School, which probably means she is a journalist, as I can&#039;t imagine they&#039;d admit someone who didn&#039;t have journalistic experience of any kind. But OK, even if she&#039;s not officially a journalist, it&#039;s still a violation of regular ethics.

Or, to put it another way, would you be cool with your private emails being published without your permission? No? Then you shouldn&#039;t be OK with this.

There is no reason, journalistic or otherwise, to publish the emails verbatim. If Bao wanted to expose the story, she could just as easily have done so paraphrasing the emails and not naming a specific source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is a student at Columbia Journalism School, which probably means she is a journalist, as I can&#8217;t imagine they&#8217;d admit someone who didn&#8217;t have journalistic experience of any kind. But OK, even if she&#8217;s not officially a journalist, it&#8217;s still a violation of regular ethics.</p>
<p>Or, to put it another way, would you be cool with your private emails being published without your permission? No? Then you shouldn&#8217;t be OK with this.</p>
<p>There is no reason, journalistic or otherwise, to publish the emails verbatim. If Bao wanted to expose the story, she could just as easily have done so paraphrasing the emails and not naming a specific source.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/04/a-story-about-journalism-or-why-details-matter-ap-editing-error/#comment-2948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Real Headline: Guy had 3 bucks and wanted some horsey sauce!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real Headline: Guy had 3 bucks and wanted some horsey sauce!</p>
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