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	<title>Comments on: Disqualified Yu Yang Tells Badminton Federation &#8220;You Guys Heartlessly Shattered Our Dreams,&#8221; Announces Retirement, Attributes Disgraceful Last Performance To Teammate&#8217;s Knee Injury</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; Friday Links: Was Liu Xiang&#8217;s inspirational failing at the Olympics a set-up? Ai Weiwei feature and Chinese film suggestions Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-35218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Friday Links: Was Liu Xiang&#8217;s inspirational failing at the Olympics a set-up? Ai Weiwei feature and Chinese film suggestions Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] eased on South Korean badminton players. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: nelsonpk</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-32117</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yu Yang will be very badly missed. I hope she will continue with Badminton. They should not have been disqualified. It was the poor set up of the rules for these Olympics that created the bad situation. Why change the rules now. If the WBF can explain why they changed the rules it might help to understand. Until then I&#039;m on the players side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yu Yang will be very badly missed. I hope she will continue with Badminton. They should not have been disqualified. It was the poor set up of the rules for these Olympics that created the bad situation. Why change the rules now. If the WBF can explain why they changed the rules it might help to understand. Until then I&#8217;m on the players side.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Chubby Chinese Baby At The Olympics Is Delightful Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-31628</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Chubby Chinese Baby At The Olympics Is Delightful Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of many the London Olympics gave us. You know, if you set aside all the controversy in swimming, badminton, fencing, boxing, gymnastics, cycling, more swimming, ping-pong, soccer, and judo, among other [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of many the London Olympics gave us. You know, if you set aside all the controversy in swimming, badminton, fencing, boxing, gymnastics, cycling, more swimming, ping-pong, soccer, and judo, among other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Hypocritical, Much? Swimmer Admits To Breaking The Rules But Gets To Keep His Gold Medal (Yes, We&#8217;re Still Angry About Badminton) Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-29853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Hypocritical, Much? Swimmer Admits To Breaking The Rules But Gets To Keep His Gold Medal (Yes, We&#8217;re Still Angry About Badminton) Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it again and again, and you&#8217;re sick of hearing it. But I do want to hear from all you sticklers for the rules who made yourselves known around these parts recently. Van der Burgh broke the rule. What of it, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it again and again, and you&#8217;re sick of hearing it. But I do want to hear from all you sticklers for the rules who made yourselves known around these parts recently. Van der Burgh broke the rule. What of it, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Yao Ming Says Some Very Reasonable Things About Badminton And Swimming Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-28669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Yao Ming Says Some Very Reasonable Things About Badminton And Swimming Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 06:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by his sport. Very recently, as reported by Reuters, he spoke on the record with Xinhua about the badminton and Ye Shiwen controversies: &#8220;(The) same kind of things happen in basketball. It&#8217;s a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by his sport. Very recently, as reported by Reuters, he spoke on the record with Xinhua about the badminton and Ye Shiwen controversies: &#8220;(The) same kind of things happen in basketball. It&#8217;s a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; After Much Ado, China&#8217;s &#8220;Other&#8221; Badminton Team Won The Women&#8217;s Doubles Gold Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-28501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; After Much Ado, China&#8217;s &#8220;Other&#8221; Badminton Team Won The Women&#8217;s Doubles Gold Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Yang and Wang Xiaoli were disqualified for match-fixing because they wanted to avoid facing Tian Qian and Zhao Yunlei in the semifinals, and now we know [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yang and Wang Xiaoli were disqualified for match-fixing because they wanted to avoid facing Tian Qian and Zhao Yunlei in the semifinals, and now we know [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-28294</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um what a load of garbage..

People that live in Europe (lots of different countries and languages, people of different skin colour) = EUROPEAN

People that live in Africa (a collection of countries, with people of different skin colours) = AFRICAN

People that live in the Americas (North, South, Central, no matter what their colour) = AMERICANS

People that live in Asia (no matter what country or skin colour) = ASIANS..

You are an ignorant twit..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um what a load of garbage..</p>
<p>People that live in Europe (lots of different countries and languages, people of different skin colour) = EUROPEAN</p>
<p>People that live in Africa (a collection of countries, with people of different skin colours) = AFRICAN</p>
<p>People that live in the Americas (North, South, Central, no matter what their colour) = AMERICANS</p>
<p>People that live in Asia (no matter what country or skin colour) = ASIANS..</p>
<p>You are an ignorant twit..</p>
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		<title>By: brian miller</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-28203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brian miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 18:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some blame the round-robin system for creating this type of situation.  I don&#039;t.  There are round robins used in other sports and, still, people and teams are expected to compete.

When examining the ethics of what the disqualified players did, it can be instructive to look at doping in baseball.  It was wrong.  The players knew it was wrong.  The coaches and team owners knew it was wrong.  But it was not punished.  For me, it is easy to forgive the baseball players because, although they knew what they were doing was wrong, there were no consequences.

Yet, at some point, enforcement of rules must start somewhere.  In this case the players clearly knew what they were doing was wrong.  Why would they try to disguise it at all (the missed serves hit the tape at the top of the net--they could have simply hit the serves into the net; they lied about why they played ludicrously badly: &quot;conserve energy&quot; &quot;other team really good&quot; &quot;injury&quot;).  They knew it was wrong but they had never before suffered consequences for throwing matches.  Their coaches (at least the Chinese coach) instructed them to throw the match.

Given what they knew and what they were being told to do, the play (or lack thereof) by the players was reasonable.  Given that rules regarding effort and competition must, at some point, be enforced, it was reasonable for the players to be disqualified.

In the end, a good outcome would be to provide at least a modicum of discouragement to players and teams considering throwing matches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some blame the round-robin system for creating this type of situation.  I don&#8217;t.  There are round robins used in other sports and, still, people and teams are expected to compete.</p>
<p>When examining the ethics of what the disqualified players did, it can be instructive to look at doping in baseball.  It was wrong.  The players knew it was wrong.  The coaches and team owners knew it was wrong.  But it was not punished.  For me, it is easy to forgive the baseball players because, although they knew what they were doing was wrong, there were no consequences.</p>
<p>Yet, at some point, enforcement of rules must start somewhere.  In this case the players clearly knew what they were doing was wrong.  Why would they try to disguise it at all (the missed serves hit the tape at the top of the net&#8211;they could have simply hit the serves into the net; they lied about why they played ludicrously badly: &#8220;conserve energy&#8221; &#8220;other team really good&#8221; &#8220;injury&#8221;).  They knew it was wrong but they had never before suffered consequences for throwing matches.  Their coaches (at least the Chinese coach) instructed them to throw the match.</p>
<p>Given what they knew and what they were being told to do, the play (or lack thereof) by the players was reasonable.  Given that rules regarding effort and competition must, at some point, be enforced, it was reasonable for the players to be disqualified.</p>
<p>In the end, a good outcome would be to provide at least a modicum of discouragement to players and teams considering throwing matches.</p>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-28049</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anderson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This kind of change happened to other Olympics sports in the past... 
Btw, it&#039;s quite racist to call Asians a race. Even associating a place with the people in there is not very smart... like you don&#039;t have &quot;white&quot; people in Asia, such stupid idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of change happened to other Olympics sports in the past&#8230;<br />
Btw, it&#8217;s quite racist to call Asians a race. Even associating a place with the people in there is not very smart&#8230; like you don&#8217;t have &#8220;white&#8221; people in Asia, such stupid idea.</p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just as an added fun fact, you know what the Lithuanian team did after they won their bronze medals?  They went back to the Olympic Village, got drunk, had an arm wrestling contest with other athletes, and were --by all accounts-- drunk and happy when they got on the podium to get their bronze medals. That&#039;s called winning and winning with style no matter the actual medal around their necks.

http://london2012.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/lithuania-the-other-dream-team-at-the-92-games/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as an added fun fact, you know what the Lithuanian team did after they won their bronze medals?  They went back to the Olympic Village, got drunk, had an arm wrestling contest with other athletes, and were &#8211;by all accounts&#8211; drunk and happy when they got on the podium to get their bronze medals. That&#8217;s called winning and winning with style no matter the actual medal around their necks.</p>
<p><a href="http://london2012.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/lithuania-the-other-dream-team-at-the-92-games/" rel="nofollow">http://london2012.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/lithuania-the-other-dream-team-at-the-92-games/</a></p>
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		<title>By: E</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27973</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the point though, no matter the situation, no matter if it&#039;s pool play or a useless game or whatever NO ONE should be playing to lose.  If you&#039;re an athlete and have pride in yourself and your nation you should actually go out and compete.  

Let&#039;s take another example of a pool play match where a team could have thrown a match and would have ended up in a theoretically better situation:

In the 1992 Olympics basketball pool play nobody wanted to get into the bracket to face the American Dream Team.  The heavily favored team to win the Silver, Lithuania, could have taken a dive on their final pool play match against Australia and gotten themselves 3rd in their pool and out of facing the US in the second round and thus would have had a better chance of only facing the Americans in the Gold medal game.  In their final game if they had lost to Australia they would have guaranteed only facing the Americans in the finals.

What did the Lithuanians do?  They went out and beat Australia by 11 and ended up facing the Americans in the semifinals (and were blown out in what a lot of people called the &quot;real gold medal game&quot;).

You know why they didn&#039;t lose intentionally?  They probably decided that things like national pride, honor, sportsmanship, and giving it your best in all situations is better than having a better &quot;shot&quot; at winning a better medal.

You play to win, you don&#039;t play to lose.  Otherwise you shouldn&#039;t be playing at all.  The BWF did exactly the right thing and I promise you no one&#039;s going to think twice about whether they are there to be a winner or a loser next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the point though, no matter the situation, no matter if it&#8217;s pool play or a useless game or whatever NO ONE should be playing to lose.  If you&#8217;re an athlete and have pride in yourself and your nation you should actually go out and compete.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take another example of a pool play match where a team could have thrown a match and would have ended up in a theoretically better situation:</p>
<p>In the 1992 Olympics basketball pool play nobody wanted to get into the bracket to face the American Dream Team.  The heavily favored team to win the Silver, Lithuania, could have taken a dive on their final pool play match against Australia and gotten themselves 3rd in their pool and out of facing the US in the second round and thus would have had a better chance of only facing the Americans in the Gold medal game.  In their final game if they had lost to Australia they would have guaranteed only facing the Americans in the finals.</p>
<p>What did the Lithuanians do?  They went out and beat Australia by 11 and ended up facing the Americans in the semifinals (and were blown out in what a lot of people called the &#8220;real gold medal game&#8221;).</p>
<p>You know why they didn&#8217;t lose intentionally?  They probably decided that things like national pride, honor, sportsmanship, and giving it your best in all situations is better than having a better &#8220;shot&#8221; at winning a better medal.</p>
<p>You play to win, you don&#8217;t play to lose.  Otherwise you shouldn&#8217;t be playing at all.  The BWF did exactly the right thing and I promise you no one&#8217;s going to think twice about whether they are there to be a winner or a loser next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27936</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Make whatever excuse you like for their behaviour, THEY WERE DELIBERATLEY TRYING TO LOSE..

The losers now are THEM, hope they have a nice trip home haha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make whatever excuse you like for their behaviour, THEY WERE DELIBERATLEY TRYING TO LOSE..</p>
<p>The losers now are THEM, hope they have a nice trip home haha</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, I call bollocks on the injury excuse too....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I call bollocks on the injury excuse too&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt R</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats complete GARBAGE. It wasnt &quot;white people&quot; that cheated, it was CHINESE and KOREANS.

They are cheats, China is a nation known to cheat, as much as possible, to win medals (institutionalised drug doping etc. etc.)

They were warned, and they deliberatley threw the game to influence the draw.

Thats cheating, not playing to win, and is a disgusting show of &quot;sportsmanship&quot;.

To not play your best at every game is PATHETIC. If they dont understand how innapropriate that is at the Olympics, maybe they shouldnt be there.

Naira, saying this was done for racist reasons just makes you appear to be a bad sport too (and a little ignorant)..You wouldnt be saying that if it was another countrys players would you.

THEY CHEATED, GOT CAUGHT, GET OVER IT.

&quot;The online badminton publication, Badzine, ran an article late last year, analyzing match statistics from tournaments in 2011 and concluded:

&quot;More than 20 percent of matches is either not finished or not played when Chinese shuttlers play against their own compatriots. Chinese shuttlers met each other 99 times on the circuit this year, and 20 matches were either not played at all [11 walkovers] or played partially before one of the opponents retired [9 retirements].

&quot;This shows that 20.20% of matches between Chinese shuttlers were not completed in 2011.&quot;

INSTIUTIONALISED CHEATING AND MANIPULATING OF DRAWS.

THATS CHEATING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats complete GARBAGE. It wasnt &#8220;white people&#8221; that cheated, it was CHINESE and KOREANS.</p>
<p>They are cheats, China is a nation known to cheat, as much as possible, to win medals (institutionalised drug doping etc. etc.)</p>
<p>They were warned, and they deliberatley threw the game to influence the draw.</p>
<p>Thats cheating, not playing to win, and is a disgusting show of &#8220;sportsmanship&#8221;.</p>
<p>To not play your best at every game is PATHETIC. If they dont understand how innapropriate that is at the Olympics, maybe they shouldnt be there.</p>
<p>Naira, saying this was done for racist reasons just makes you appear to be a bad sport too (and a little ignorant)..You wouldnt be saying that if it was another countrys players would you.</p>
<p>THEY CHEATED, GOT CAUGHT, GET OVER IT.</p>
<p>&#8220;The online badminton publication, Badzine, ran an article late last year, analyzing match statistics from tournaments in 2011 and concluded:</p>
<p>&#8220;More than 20 percent of matches is either not finished or not played when Chinese shuttlers play against their own compatriots. Chinese shuttlers met each other 99 times on the circuit this year, and 20 matches were either not played at all [11 walkovers] or played partially before one of the opponents retired [9 retirements].</p>
<p>&#8220;This shows that 20.20% of matches between Chinese shuttlers were not completed in 2011.&#8221;</p>
<p>INSTIUTIONALISED CHEATING AND MANIPULATING OF DRAWS.</p>
<p>THATS CHEATING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.</p>
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		<title>By: MAC</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/08/disqualified-yu-yang-on-tencent-weibo-announces-retirement-etc/#comment-27892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MAC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He was clear as clear can be. I don&#039;t know what versions different people may have watched, but in what I saw  you could clearly hear that he said that if they didn&#039;t play &quot;both teams can be disqualified,&quot; repeating for emphasis. 

She&#039;s a liar and whatever sympathy I had is gone. I&#039;m sure they didn&#039;t reach this decision on their own and are basically the victim of the commie sports machine, which is now throwing them under the bus and harumphing about them being a disgrace because there is basically no defense for the little farce they put on. And yet she makes up excuses about injuries that anybody can see through. Hurt or not, Olympic-class athletes don&#039;t suddenly play worse than the worst players in a high school gym class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was clear as clear can be. I don&#8217;t know what versions different people may have watched, but in what I saw  you could clearly hear that he said that if they didn&#8217;t play &#8220;both teams can be disqualified,&#8221; repeating for emphasis. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s a liar and whatever sympathy I had is gone. I&#8217;m sure they didn&#8217;t reach this decision on their own and are basically the victim of the commie sports machine, which is now throwing them under the bus and harumphing about them being a disgrace because there is basically no defense for the little farce they put on. And yet she makes up excuses about injuries that anybody can see through. Hurt or not, Olympic-class athletes don&#8217;t suddenly play worse than the worst players in a high school gym class.</p>
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