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	<title>Comments on: Mandatory National Education Plans Scrapped, But Who Really Wins?</title>
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		<title>By: Gwai Lo</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-43161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gwai Lo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The people of Hong Kong were the winners and I&#039;ll also point out that the young people of Hong Kong fought with words and knowledge and got the outcome they wanted without any violence at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people of Hong Kong were the winners and I&#8217;ll also point out that the young people of Hong Kong fought with words and knowledge and got the outcome they wanted without any violence at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwai Lo</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-43158</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gwai Lo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[every country has their own version of history that is tailored to make the country its taught in look good to its people. American text books barely ever touch on the Japanese internment camps from WWII if its even mentioned at all. 

I think these people should fight to preserve the integrity of their culture. Hong Kong is not like the rest of China and no matter who hard they push I just don&#039;t think it ever will be.

I just hope that as this progresses over the next few years (I&#039;m sure we haven&#039;t heard the last of this) people remember what they&#039;re trying to get done and not turn this into yet another protest fueled by violence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every country has their own version of history that is tailored to make the country its taught in look good to its people. American text books barely ever touch on the Japanese internment camps from WWII if its even mentioned at all. </p>
<p>I think these people should fight to preserve the integrity of their culture. Hong Kong is not like the rest of China and no matter who hard they push I just don&#8217;t think it ever will be.</p>
<p>I just hope that as this progresses over the next few years (I&#8217;m sure we haven&#8217;t heard the last of this) people remember what they&#8217;re trying to get done and not turn this into yet another protest fueled by violence.</p>
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		<title>By: stig</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41178</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was at the protest Saturday. Beijing has inadvertently radicalized a whole new generation of Hong Kongers. The young people I met were impassioned and very well informed. In answer to the title, it seems obvious who the real winners here are: The people of Hong Kong. The proposal was defeated &amp; young people are taking an interest in the direction of their country. Surely that qualifies as a good thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the protest Saturday. Beijing has inadvertently radicalized a whole new generation of Hong Kongers. The young people I met were impassioned and very well informed. In answer to the title, it seems obvious who the real winners here are: The people of Hong Kong. The proposal was defeated &amp; young people are taking an interest in the direction of their country. Surely that qualifies as a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: stig</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 12:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was at the protest Saturday. Beijing has inadvertently radicalized a whole new generation of Hong Kongers. he yung people are impassioned, driven and very well informed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the protest Saturday. Beijing has inadvertently radicalized a whole new generation of Hong Kongers. he yung people are impassioned, driven and very well informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41073</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The HK government self-pwned on this and has no-one to blame but itself, just like with Article 23. Is there a place for civics classes in HK education? Absolutely. Chinese history? Absolutely. Sell it like that and it&#039;s totally uncontroversial.

Instead what they did was give funding to a Beijing-friendly nationalist group who served up a fresh, steaming load of &quot;scare the hell out of the population&quot;, turn a tone-deaf ear to criticism, double-down when faced with protest, get proxies in the media to accuse protesters of essentially being the tools of unfriendly foreign powers (you know, the UK and the US, who are actually quite popular in HK). And then they caved in!

Things is, if they had &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; want to brain-wash people into loving the CCPotherland(TM) - and undoubtedly some of them do - they can acheive it much more easily than by introducing a compulasory class that students will likely sleep through. All they need do is continue the steady drip-drip of soft media controls, Mandarinisation, and rabble-rousing against the Japanese that we see unfolding at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The HK government self-pwned on this and has no-one to blame but itself, just like with Article 23. Is there a place for civics classes in HK education? Absolutely. Chinese history? Absolutely. Sell it like that and it&#8217;s totally uncontroversial.</p>
<p>Instead what they did was give funding to a Beijing-friendly nationalist group who served up a fresh, steaming load of &#8220;scare the hell out of the population&#8221;, turn a tone-deaf ear to criticism, double-down when faced with protest, get proxies in the media to accuse protesters of essentially being the tools of unfriendly foreign powers (you know, the UK and the US, who are actually quite popular in HK). And then they caved in!</p>
<p>Things is, if they had <i>really</i> want to brain-wash people into loving the CCPotherland(TM) &#8211; and undoubtedly some of them do &#8211; they can acheive it much more easily than by introducing a compulasory class that students will likely sleep through. All they need do is continue the steady drip-drip of soft media controls, Mandarinisation, and rabble-rousing against the Japanese that we see unfolding at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Andao</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using the US as a co-example is a little rough.  From elementary school through university, I remember being indoctrinated thoroughly about the evils of slavery over, and over, and over again.  I remember hearing about the &quot;Trail of Tears&quot; a bunch also, although admittedly I think that should get more screen time.

Have you seen the book they wanted to use?  It&#039;s dripping with propaganda, and nary a negative thing to say about the mainland.  Several pages on how multiparty systems are bad (while HK itself has a multiparty system).  And nothing about blanket media censorship.  

Then you have the story of a few hundred HK students being subsidized by the mainland to go visit Mao&#039;s hometown and lay flower wreaths at his ancestral home.  Seriously guys?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the US as a co-example is a little rough.  From elementary school through university, I remember being indoctrinated thoroughly about the evils of slavery over, and over, and over again.  I remember hearing about the &#8220;Trail of Tears&#8221; a bunch also, although admittedly I think that should get more screen time.</p>
<p>Have you seen the book they wanted to use?  It&#8217;s dripping with propaganda, and nary a negative thing to say about the mainland.  Several pages on how multiparty systems are bad (while HK itself has a multiparty system).  And nothing about blanket media censorship.  </p>
<p>Then you have the story of a few hundred HK students being subsidized by the mainland to go visit Mao&#8217;s hometown and lay flower wreaths at his ancestral home.  Seriously guys?</p>
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		<title>By: The Tao</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: wall of text: fixed, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: wall of text: fixed, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: sascha</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-41048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sascha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah Tao, i feel you for trying to put something else out there, but I disagree. This is about so much more than education and brainwashing. It&#039;s also about hope. Mainland kids, who routinely pass out or play games during their &quot;moral and national educations&quot; classes, saw this - by and large - as an inspiring stand by students and good people against the Machine. We should all give props to Hong Kong for winning this battle in the endless war against oppressive old men.

also, dude, wall of text. turn that ish into some paragraphs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah Tao, i feel you for trying to put something else out there, but I disagree. This is about so much more than education and brainwashing. It&#8217;s also about hope. Mainland kids, who routinely pass out or play games during their &#8220;moral and national educations&#8221; classes, saw this &#8211; by and large &#8211; as an inspiring stand by students and good people against the Machine. We should all give props to Hong Kong for winning this battle in the endless war against oppressive old men.</p>
<p>also, dude, wall of text. turn that ish into some paragraphs.</p>
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		<title>By: The Tao</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-40926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Tao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 04:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My intent wasn&#039;t to disparage individual protesters, but I do mean to offer up an alternate view to the commonly accepted idea that moral education is necessarily demonic. What&#039;s the worst that could happen? A child ends up liking the CPC? That&#039;s the WORST thing, btw. Not sure that merits hunger strikes.

Of course, I understand the protests have evolved into a protest against more than simply education. That was inevitable, and good on young Hong Kongers for their opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My intent wasn&#8217;t to disparage individual protesters, but I do mean to offer up an alternate view to the commonly accepted idea that moral education is necessarily demonic. What&#8217;s the worst that could happen? A child ends up liking the CPC? That&#8217;s the WORST thing, btw. Not sure that merits hunger strikes.</p>
<p>Of course, I understand the protests have evolved into a protest against more than simply education. That was inevitable, and good on young Hong Kongers for their opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: robincheung</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/09/mandatory-national-education-curriculum-scrapped-but-who-really-wins/#comment-40804</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robincheung]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tao, I like your blog, it&#039;s interesting and informative, but on this, you&#039;re wrong. It&#039;s your site, and of course you&#039;re entitled to your opinion, but I&#039;d suggest you meet with some of the students protesting on Saturday before writing them off in such cynical and condescending terms. 

Your notion that HK people are somehow ignorant to the basics of Chinese history is frankly insulting, and way off the mark - Average Hongkongers (like the Taiwanese) are, by and large, reasonably well-educated, and far more aware of their own (and by extension Chinese) history, not to mention their continued reverence for certain traditions and customs that have all but vanished from the mainland. 

The idea that Mainland Chinese people are somehow more &quot;Chinese&quot; than HongKongers by virtue of being taught &quot;Chinese history&quot; is laughable, have you ever attended a Mainland high school history class? or tried discussing pre-1949 Chinese history with an average mainlander under the age of 30? 

Those who protested at the weekend took a principled stand and should be applauded, lest you forget, these are Chinese people, young Chinese people, standing up to some of the more depressing and  infantilizing  aspects of the current one party system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tao, I like your blog, it&#8217;s interesting and informative, but on this, you&#8217;re wrong. It&#8217;s your site, and of course you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, but I&#8217;d suggest you meet with some of the students protesting on Saturday before writing them off in such cynical and condescending terms. </p>
<p>Your notion that HK people are somehow ignorant to the basics of Chinese history is frankly insulting, and way off the mark &#8211; Average Hongkongers (like the Taiwanese) are, by and large, reasonably well-educated, and far more aware of their own (and by extension Chinese) history, not to mention their continued reverence for certain traditions and customs that have all but vanished from the mainland. </p>
<p>The idea that Mainland Chinese people are somehow more &#8220;Chinese&#8221; than HongKongers by virtue of being taught &#8220;Chinese history&#8221; is laughable, have you ever attended a Mainland high school history class? or tried discussing pre-1949 Chinese history with an average mainlander under the age of 30? </p>
<p>Those who protested at the weekend took a principled stand and should be applauded, lest you forget, these are Chinese people, young Chinese people, standing up to some of the more depressing and  infantilizing  aspects of the current one party system.</p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[name]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 16:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i work in a uni with a confucius institute. they receive books on &quot;chinese history&quot; to hand out to students during chinese culture classes. pure, unfiltered propaganda (pretty much like most US history books, according to my knowledge), but with some basic content that is useful, like general history line and dates. is it better than no chinese historical knowledge at all? yes. does it misrepresent china, especially in the contemporary era? yes. my solution to the problem: keep the chinese culture classes, but suggest the students &gt; 1 manual to choose among, and leave the teachers free to choose too. require them to study chinese history, them let them free to learn about the cultural revolution as well as the glorious HK handover to the PRC . 

problem solved, you&#039;re welcome]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i work in a uni with a confucius institute. they receive books on &#8220;chinese history&#8221; to hand out to students during chinese culture classes. pure, unfiltered propaganda (pretty much like most US history books, according to my knowledge), but with some basic content that is useful, like general history line and dates. is it better than no chinese historical knowledge at all? yes. does it misrepresent china, especially in the contemporary era? yes. my solution to the problem: keep the chinese culture classes, but suggest the students &gt; 1 manual to choose among, and leave the teachers free to choose too. require them to study chinese history, them let them free to learn about the cultural revolution as well as the glorious HK handover to the PRC . </p>
<p>problem solved, you&#8217;re welcome</p>
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