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	<title>Comments on: Chen Kegui&#8217;s 39-Month Prison Sentence Is The Shame Of This Country</title>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-213988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In that situation you would not be prosecuted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that situation you would not be prosecuted.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-213987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 07:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wouldn&#039;t actually. Anything perceived as reasonable self defence is considered perfectly legal under the law in England, as it should be, and indeed there are plans underway to allow even defence which is excessive.

Take for example this guy, who shot burglars in his home with a shotgun. He wasn&#039;t charged: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198753/Leicestershire-burglar-shooting-No-charges-couple-shot-burglers-targeted-isolated-cottage.html

I totally agree with this article. Defending yourself from people invading your home using a kitchen knife is totally acceptable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wouldn&#8217;t actually. Anything perceived as reasonable self defence is considered perfectly legal under the law in England, as it should be, and indeed there are plans underway to allow even defence which is excessive.</p>
<p>Take for example this guy, who shot burglars in his home with a shotgun. He wasn&#8217;t charged: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198753/Leicestershire-burglar-shooting-No-charges-couple-shot-burglers-targeted-isolated-cottage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198753/Leicestershire-burglar-shooting-No-charges-couple-shot-burglers-targeted-isolated-cottage.html</a></p>
<p>I totally agree with this article. Defending yourself from people invading your home using a kitchen knife is totally acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: RhZ</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-187282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RhZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its pretty shameful for you to compare these two cases, and when other commenters took away your dumb comparison, start referring to &#039;other cases&#039;.

Its shameful what the Chinese government is doing, and its illegal and shows an absolute disregard for law. Those were thugs, plain and simple, in the service of the local government, and they were going to mercilessly and illegally beat Kegui and his family.  But when he tries to protect himself, its a &#039;crime&#039;. Under China&#039;s vaunted &#039;rule of law&#039;.

Shut up now while you aren&#039;t too far behind, GC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty shameful for you to compare these two cases, and when other commenters took away your dumb comparison, start referring to &#8216;other cases&#8217;.</p>
<p>Its shameful what the Chinese government is doing, and its illegal and shows an absolute disregard for law. Those were thugs, plain and simple, in the service of the local government, and they were going to mercilessly and illegally beat Kegui and his family.  But when he tries to protect himself, its a &#8216;crime&#8217;. Under China&#8217;s vaunted &#8216;rule of law&#8217;.</p>
<p>Shut up now while you aren&#8217;t too far behind, GC.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-187232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that&#039;s the problem. People need to have a reasonable right to stand their ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s the problem. People need to have a reasonable right to stand their ground.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Chen Guangcheng, In Video Address To Observe World Human Rights Day, Calls On World Leaders To Hold China Accountable Beijing Cream</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-184310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Chen Guangcheng, In Video Address To Observe World Human Rights Day, Calls On World Leaders To Hold China Accountable Beijing Cream]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and God). Yet his voice is particularly loud and strong, due to his personal history and also China&#8217;s recent decision to sentence his nephew, Chen Kegui, to 39 months in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and God). Yet his voice is particularly loud and strong, due to his personal history and also China&#8217;s recent decision to sentence his nephew, Chen Kegui, to 39 months in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Chevara</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-181338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Chevara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ahhhhh     ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhhhh     ok.</p>
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		<title>By: powerstar</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-181280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[powerstar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t feel the trolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feel the trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Chevara</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-179265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Chevara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then I stand corrected, but will either of you tell me that if some chavvy burglar is in my house in England and I smack him in the side of the head with a golf club that I won&#039;t be prosecuted?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I stand corrected, but will either of you tell me that if some chavvy burglar is in my house in England and I smack him in the side of the head with a golf club that I won&#8217;t be prosecuted?</p>
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		<title>By: James Griffiths</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-179240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Griffiths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) Tony Martin shot the two burglars as they fled his property, not while they were on the premises. 

b) He killed one of them and was convicted of manslaughter, self-defence was not possible to argue because the man was running away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) Tony Martin shot the two burglars as they fled his property, not while they were on the premises. </p>
<p>b) He killed one of them and was convicted of manslaughter, self-defence was not possible to argue because the man was running away.</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Chevara</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Chevara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what about the many other cases of burglars taking legal action against people that have tried to defend their property?  There are many such cases.

The problem is with the UK is that no-one is willing to take responsibility and the entire country is just too pc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what about the many other cases of burglars taking legal action against people that have tried to defend their property?  There are many such cases.</p>
<p>The problem is with the UK is that no-one is willing to take responsibility and the entire country is just too pc.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s best, if you are able, to kill said intruder then when you have the chance take the body and dump it somewhere in a rural area. But only do this if you are forced because of ridiculous politically correct liberally minded unrealistic laws.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s best, if you are able, to kill said intruder then when you have the chance take the body and dump it somewhere in a rural area. But only do this if you are forced because of ridiculous politically correct liberally minded unrealistic laws.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they hurt or killed a loved one and they were running away I&#039;d shoot them in the back. I am not familiar with the case in the UK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they hurt or killed a loved one and they were running away I&#8217;d shoot them in the back. I am not familiar with the case in the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the government, whether local or state or federal, sent agents or police and they forced their way into your home and you shot one or two of them, feeling your life or your loved ones lives were threatened, you would be charged and probably sentenced to some period of time in jail in the US. I think it is hard to be victorious in any country if you are attacked by gov&#039;t thugs. I believe there was a case in Indiana, USA of a man who used deadly force against a police officer who was using unreasonable force. I am not sure if the ruling was clear and what the outcome was.

 That being said, yes, this Chinese court is behaving like a stupid jackass. At least if this happened in a civilized nation, and it wasn&#039;t some type of covert operation, public opinion might be heard and might make a difference or result in no charges. But in China there is no public opinion unless the gov&#039;t says so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government, whether local or state or federal, sent agents or police and they forced their way into your home and you shot one or two of them, feeling your life or your loved ones lives were threatened, you would be charged and probably sentenced to some period of time in jail in the US. I think it is hard to be victorious in any country if you are attacked by gov&#8217;t thugs. I believe there was a case in Indiana, USA of a man who used deadly force against a police officer who was using unreasonable force. I am not sure if the ruling was clear and what the outcome was.</p>
<p> That being said, yes, this Chinese court is behaving like a stupid jackass. At least if this happened in a civilized nation, and it wasn&#8217;t some type of covert operation, public opinion might be heard and might make a difference or result in no charges. But in China there is no public opinion unless the gov&#8217;t says so.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinese Netizen</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chinese Netizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the lovely kicker the Chinese gov&#039;t always has to throw into any announcement/damnation: &quot;...according to Chinese law...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the lovely kicker the Chinese gov&#8217;t always has to throw into any announcement/damnation: &#8220;&#8230;according to Chinese law&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chinese Netizen</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/chen-keguis-39-month-prison-sentence-is-the-shame-of-this-country/#comment-178327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chinese Netizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Make sure they are Tibetan children first...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure they are Tibetan children first&#8230;</p>
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