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	<title>Comments on: Foreign-Run VPNs Are Officially Illegal In China, Apparently</title>
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		<title>By: siameezi</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-379935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[siameezi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2015 09:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Whiny little faggot English teachers (and other scum)&#039;? Must be great to be you, clearly in a position of such self worth and importance you are able to look down on the rest of us! Always winds me up knowing their are &#039;people&#039; like you out there...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Whiny little faggot English teachers (and other scum)&#8217;? Must be great to be you, clearly in a position of such self worth and importance you are able to look down on the rest of us! Always winds me up knowing their are &#8216;people&#8217; like you out there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-215043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on brother!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on brother!</p>
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		<title>By: DSLAM</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DSLAM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said, King Baeksu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, King Baeksu.</p>
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		<title>By: RhZ</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RhZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan loves to be told what he can and can&#039;t do by the glorious CCP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan loves to be told what he can and can&#8217;t do by the glorious CCP.</p>
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		<title>By: King Tubby</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214610</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Tubby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[King Baeksu. Fellow monarch. Well said. 

This Dan creature sounds like a bundle of issues and inner anger. With luck, he will implode.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King Baeksu. Fellow monarch. Well said. </p>
<p>This Dan creature sounds like a bundle of issues and inner anger. With luck, he will implode.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about being able to search on Google without having it timeout half of the time.  Is that a valid enough use for you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about being able to search on Google without having it timeout half of the time.  Is that a valid enough use for you?</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 05:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason non-Chinese social media sites like Facebook and Twitter are blocked in China is because they can be used as organizing tools by social movements, and are thus a threat to the CCP&#039;s monopoly on state power -- not because they are &quot;pointless bullshit.&quot; Wang Hui, one of China&#039;s leading intellectuals and certainly a much brighter bulb than you, has argued that:

&quot;In order to dismantle China’s backroom politics, there must be real freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. This means preventing large conglomerates from using their media monopoly to manipulate public opinion. Citizens should be allowed to form associations and establish their own media, hence the protection of freedom of speech as a basic right.&quot;

Source: http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR66_CHINA_30_final.pdf

In other words, VPNs serve more than just a &quot;business function,&quot; but also help ensure the basic human rights of Chinese citizens and local expats alike.

To me, you&#039;re the one who sounds like a &quot;whiny little faggot,&quot; since it is clear that you are threatened by any voices that exist outside the present state-corporate power nexus in China, which is really a classic form of fascism. 

So go peddle your smug corporate BS elsewhere, buddy. I may be a &quot;mere&quot; English teacher but at least I am providing a socially useful function here, unlike the majority of corporate expat &quot;scum&quot; in China who profit obscenely on the backs of the Chinese people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason non-Chinese social media sites like Facebook and Twitter are blocked in China is because they can be used as organizing tools by social movements, and are thus a threat to the CCP&#8217;s monopoly on state power &#8212; not because they are &#8220;pointless bullshit.&#8221; Wang Hui, one of China&#8217;s leading intellectuals and certainly a much brighter bulb than you, has argued that:</p>
<p>&#8220;In order to dismantle China’s backroom politics, there must be real freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. This means preventing large conglomerates from using their media monopoly to manipulate public opinion. Citizens should be allowed to form associations and establish their own media, hence the protection of freedom of speech as a basic right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR66_CHINA_30_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ecfr.eu/page/-/ECFR66_CHINA_30_final.pdf</a></p>
<p>In other words, VPNs serve more than just a &#8220;business function,&#8221; but also help ensure the basic human rights of Chinese citizens and local expats alike.</p>
<p>To me, you&#8217;re the one who sounds like a &#8220;whiny little faggot,&#8221; since it is clear that you are threatened by any voices that exist outside the present state-corporate power nexus in China, which is really a classic form of fascism. </p>
<p>So go peddle your smug corporate BS elsewhere, buddy. I may be a &#8220;mere&#8221; English teacher but at least I am providing a socially useful function here, unlike the majority of corporate expat &#8220;scum&#8221; in China who profit obscenely on the backs of the Chinese people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[boohoohoo, facebook and twitter and other pointless bullshit is blocked.  I&#039;d love to see them just flat out crack down on this entirely.  Have a legit use for a VPN? Your connection is business grade and allows it.  Everything else? Ban it entirely.  At the very least it&#039;ll clear out the whiny little faggot english teachers and other scum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boohoohoo, facebook and twitter and other pointless bullshit is blocked.  I&#8217;d love to see them just flat out crack down on this entirely.  Have a legit use for a VPN? Your connection is business grade and allows it.  Everything else? Ban it entirely.  At the very least it&#8217;ll clear out the whiny little faggot english teachers and other scum.</p>
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		<title>By: narsfweasels</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[narsfweasels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn, how will Xinhua and the China Daily access their Twitter accounts now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, how will Xinhua and the China Daily access their Twitter accounts now?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Alpart</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/foreign-run-vpns-are-officially-illegal-in-china-apparently/#comment-214472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Alpart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I switched VPN services from Witopia to Astrill sometime in the (ongoing) aftermath of 十八大, but also before these &quot;upgrades&quot; happened.  Astrill has been notifying me frequently in recent days about all these upgrades.

The funny thing is that before I signed up with them, I asked them in their Live Customer Service chat room if it was possible for anything to hinder to my service, like when I use Witopia, which had steadily become shittier and shittier over the past year, finally settling down as Complete Unusable Crap.  They said it would be &quot;impossible&quot; (that&#039;s exactly what Witopia said, too, years ago), and in such an event I would be given a full refund.

Maybe I should forward them this GT article?

The defense of these foreign VPN firms has been the same as the aforementioned foreign executive - China would never outright block VPNs because they are required for business, especially banking.  So I am really, really curious to see how this all plays out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched VPN services from Witopia to Astrill sometime in the (ongoing) aftermath of 十八大, but also before these &#8220;upgrades&#8221; happened.  Astrill has been notifying me frequently in recent days about all these upgrades.</p>
<p>The funny thing is that before I signed up with them, I asked them in their Live Customer Service chat room if it was possible for anything to hinder to my service, like when I use Witopia, which had steadily become shittier and shittier over the past year, finally settling down as Complete Unusable Crap.  They said it would be &#8220;impossible&#8221; (that&#8217;s exactly what Witopia said, too, years ago), and in such an event I would be given a full refund.</p>
<p>Maybe I should forward them this GT article?</p>
<p>The defense of these foreign VPN firms has been the same as the aforementioned foreign executive &#8211; China would never outright block VPNs because they are required for business, especially banking.  So I am really, really curious to see how this all plays out.</p>
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