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	<title>Comments on: Chinese Ambassador Liu Xiaoming On BBC Newsnight: &#8220;It Is Up To The Government To Regulate These (Internet) Users&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes China as a nation state is not a century old yet. But no Chinese (in general) identify themselves solely as a nation, but the Huaxia civilization. I&#039;m sure you know the word Hua ren to mean Chinese in Chinese, not the Anglo dictionary version of Chinese to mean China Chinese or whatever Chinese means. But, one can argue to what extent does China as a nation with passports now can claim what belongs to her. Before Qin ? Tang ? Song ? Yuan ? Qing ? After WW2 ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes China as a nation state is not a century old yet. But no Chinese (in general) identify themselves solely as a nation, but the Huaxia civilization. I&#8217;m sure you know the word Hua ren to mean Chinese in Chinese, not the Anglo dictionary version of Chinese to mean China Chinese or whatever Chinese means. But, one can argue to what extent does China as a nation with passports now can claim what belongs to her. Before Qin ? Tang ? Song ? Yuan ? Qing ? After WW2 ?</p>
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		<title>By: jby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks for the article. If they do start claiming Ryukyu, that is going overboard. Hopefully they don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the article. If they do start claiming Ryukyu, that is going overboard. Hopefully they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: jby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Qing were the last of the dynasties. And Manchuria was so sinicised, I can&#039;t imagine they are gonna go for independence, separated from the rest of their conquered land, including the Central Plain, Tibet and Mongolia. 
In fact part of Qing&#039;s was ceded to Russia ( I forgot which agreement it was ), so much so, that China now doesn&#039;t have a coastline along the Sea of Japan. Check the map of the Jilin province.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Qing were the last of the dynasties. And Manchuria was so sinicised, I can&#8217;t imagine they are gonna go for independence, separated from the rest of their conquered land, including the Central Plain, Tibet and Mongolia.<br />
In fact part of Qing&#8217;s was ceded to Russia ( I forgot which agreement it was ), so much so, that China now doesn&#8217;t have a coastline along the Sea of Japan. Check the map of the Jilin province.</p>
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		<title>By: jby</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Chinese is not claiming the Ryukyu kingdom lands. The Diaoyu was part of imperial China. Diaoyu was a border marker between Ryukyu and MK .
I think what he means by century is from the Ming period, which from this perspective is quite true though. The maps of that period did show Diaoyu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chinese is not claiming the Ryukyu kingdom lands. The Diaoyu was part of imperial China. Diaoyu was a border marker between Ryukyu and MK .<br />
I think what he means by century is from the Ming period, which from this perspective is quite true though. The maps of that period did show Diaoyu.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Since the Ming dynasty, both Chinese and Liuqiuan Kingdom officials used the Chinese language to identifiy the Diaoyu Islands.&quot;

Yada, yada, yada. Is that all ya got? Where&#039;s the beef?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since the Ming dynasty, both Chinese and Liuqiuan Kingdom officials used the Chinese language to identifiy the Diaoyu Islands.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yada, yada, yada. Is that all ya got? Where&#8217;s the beef?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the Ming dynasty, both Chinese and Liuqiuan Kingdom officials used the Chinese language to identifiy the Diaoyu Islands. Use of Japanese names identifying the Diaoyu Islands did not appear in existing literature until the 20th Century.

The reluctance of the Japanese government (1st: rejecting Nishimura annexation request in 1885. 2nd: denied petitions to annex in 1890 and 3. 1893.) during the process of building the territorial landmark reflects the fact that the government realized the Diaoyu Islands were not terra nullius. 

Therefore, the self-proclaimed rediscovery of the Diaoyu Islands by Koga Tatsushiro cannot be valid according to both historical rights and international law. If the Japanese government claimed the Diaoyu Islands were terra nullius, why did they annex the Diaoyu Islands in 1885, immediately after Koga&#039;s so-called rediscovery? Why did the Japanese government wait almost ten years to build the territorial landmark in the Diaoyu Islands? Why did the Japanese government give permission to annex the Diaoyu Islands right away after Japan won the war in 1894-1895?

Suganuma also remarked that “any decisions by the Japanese government regarding the Diaoyu Islands during the era of the Meiji Constitution cannot be regarded as the state policy unless the Japanese emperor explicitly and unequivocally confirmed it in his imperial edict.” Since Japanese emperor hasn’t confirm it, the process of incorporation is being exaggerated and unfounded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Ming dynasty, both Chinese and Liuqiuan Kingdom officials used the Chinese language to identifiy the Diaoyu Islands. Use of Japanese names identifying the Diaoyu Islands did not appear in existing literature until the 20th Century.</p>
<p>The reluctance of the Japanese government (1st: rejecting Nishimura annexation request in 1885. 2nd: denied petitions to annex in 1890 and 3. 1893.) during the process of building the territorial landmark reflects the fact that the government realized the Diaoyu Islands were not terra nullius. </p>
<p>Therefore, the self-proclaimed rediscovery of the Diaoyu Islands by Koga Tatsushiro cannot be valid according to both historical rights and international law. If the Japanese government claimed the Diaoyu Islands were terra nullius, why did they annex the Diaoyu Islands in 1885, immediately after Koga&#8217;s so-called rediscovery? Why did the Japanese government wait almost ten years to build the territorial landmark in the Diaoyu Islands? Why did the Japanese government give permission to annex the Diaoyu Islands right away after Japan won the war in 1894-1895?</p>
<p>Suganuma also remarked that “any decisions by the Japanese government regarding the Diaoyu Islands during the era of the Meiji Constitution cannot be regarded as the state policy unless the Japanese emperor explicitly and unequivocally confirmed it in his imperial edict.” Since Japanese emperor hasn’t confirm it, the process of incorporation is being exaggerated and unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol. I have yet to see any proof on this thread that the Qing controlled the Diaoyus prior to 1895, and that includes everything you have posted in reference to Suganuma so far.

You keep saying, &quot;I did this and that&quot; and seem to believe that&#039;s the end of the story. Yes, my vote was right!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. I have yet to see any proof on this thread that the Qing controlled the Diaoyus prior to 1895, and that includes everything you have posted in reference to Suganuma so far.</p>
<p>You keep saying, &#8220;I did this and that&#8221; and seem to believe that&#8217;s the end of the story. Yes, my vote was right!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@if you can’t even paraphrase two paragraphs

Are you blind?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@if you can’t even paraphrase two paragraphs</p>
<p>Are you blind?</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I live in China. That page is not coming up on my computer. 

Look, if you can&#039;t even paraphrase two paragraphs, you&#039;re either lazy or intellectually challenged.

I vote for the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in China. That page is not coming up on my computer. </p>
<p>Look, if you can&#8217;t even paraphrase two paragraphs, you&#8217;re either lazy or intellectually challenged.</p>
<p>I vote for the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Is English not your first language?

Overreacting much? Either Google Books isn&#039;t available in your country or you don&#039;t know how to use it since pp 98-104 are not shown but pp 106-108 is shown on my computer. I&#039;m not going to type two long paragraphs and since I have already paraphrased it.

Google &quot;decided to annex the Diaoyu islands and build the landmark. Evidently&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Is English not your first language?</p>
<p>Overreacting much? Either Google Books isn&#8217;t available in your country or you don&#8217;t know how to use it since pp 98-104 are not shown but pp 106-108 is shown on my computer. I&#8217;m not going to type two long paragraphs and since I have already paraphrased it.</p>
<p>Google &#8220;decided to annex the Diaoyu islands and build the landmark. Evidently&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Clearly Yamagata was convinced by Inoue’s advice and Inoue’s doubts of who is legally controlling the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island.&quot;

Doubts are not certainties, and pg. 107 of the holy book you keep referencing does not appear online, as I have already stated. Is English not your first language? 

In any case, happy New Year. I predict that by this time next year, the Senkakus will still be Japanese territory, and much of the rest of the world will continue to believe it because unlike so many Chinese, the Japanese actually do know what the &quot;art of persuasion&quot; means.

Clearly, you don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clearly Yamagata was convinced by Inoue’s advice and Inoue’s doubts of who is legally controlling the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doubts are not certainties, and pg. 107 of the holy book you keep referencing does not appear online, as I have already stated. Is English not your first language? </p>
<p>In any case, happy New Year. I predict that by this time next year, the Senkakus will still be Japanese territory, and much of the rest of the world will continue to believe it because unlike so many Chinese, the Japanese actually do know what the &#8220;art of persuasion&#8221; means.</p>
<p>Clearly, you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Why is it so hard for you to state the basic argument in plain simple language, in your own words?

From December 25, 2012 at 10:12 am, I wrote:

&quot;Then why is Nishimura annexation request denied by Yamagata Aritomo in 1885? Why did Yamagata said “this matter should not be “revealed to the news media?” Clearly Yamagata was convinced by Inoue’s advice and Inoue’s doubts of who is legally controlling the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island.

With the additional information from Suganuma, the Japanese government denied petitions to annex the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island in 1890 and 1893? These kinds of reluctances disapprove “terra nullius” claim which Suganuma stated on pp.107.&quot;

or go to pp106 here: http://books.google.com/books?id=vDpEiKR2osoC&amp;pg=PA107#v=onepage&amp;q=inoue&amp;f=false and scroll down to 107

@As for the Treaty of Shimonoseki, the Senkakus had nothing to do with that. 

Whether the Diaoyu Islands, which were not called Senkaku by Japan until 1900, are implied in &quot;islands appertaining or belonging to said island of Formosa&quot; is an unsettled question and quite murky as you expected rather than saying &quot;the Senkakus had nothing to do with [Treaty of Shimonoseki]. &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Why is it so hard for you to state the basic argument in plain simple language, in your own words?</p>
<p>From December 25, 2012 at 10:12 am, I wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Then why is Nishimura annexation request denied by Yamagata Aritomo in 1885? Why did Yamagata said “this matter should not be “revealed to the news media?” Clearly Yamagata was convinced by Inoue’s advice and Inoue’s doubts of who is legally controlling the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island.</p>
<p>With the additional information from Suganuma, the Japanese government denied petitions to annex the Diaoyutai/Senkakus island in 1890 and 1893? These kinds of reluctances disapprove “terra nullius” claim which Suganuma stated on pp.107.&#8221;</p>
<p>or go to pp106 here: <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=vDpEiKR2osoC&#038;pg=PA107#v=onepage&#038;q=inoue&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=vDpEiKR2osoC&#038;pg=PA107#v=onepage&#038;q=inoue&#038;f=false</a> and scroll down to 107</p>
<p>@As for the Treaty of Shimonoseki, the Senkakus had nothing to do with that. </p>
<p>Whether the Diaoyu Islands, which were not called Senkaku by Japan until 1900, are implied in &#8220;islands appertaining or belonging to said island of Formosa&#8221; is an unsettled question and quite murky as you expected rather than saying &#8220;the Senkakus had nothing to do with [Treaty of Shimonoseki]. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Suganuma pp.107 as I stated a while back ago.&quot;

This is why you fail at the art of persuasion. Pg. 107 is unavailable in the link you provide above. Why is it so hard for you to state the basic argument in plain simple language, in your own words? Do you expect me to fly out of the country and visit some library in the U.S. or Tokyo and then get back to you?

As for the Treaty of Shimonoseki, the Senkakus had nothing to do with that. The Senkakus were formally annexed in January 1895, or several months prior to the signing of the Treaty of Shimonoseki. Indeed, Japan began its investigation of the Senkakus a decade earlier, well before the First Sino-Japanese War.

You are turning Beijing Cream into your own personal blog and much of what you write is rambling and incoherent. What I suggest is that you write your own article on your own blog stating why the Diaoyus belong to China, and then you can provide a link here for those who may be interested. 

I have a lot of work myself to do, and I am moving on because I do not feel that you are arguing in good faith, and because your debating style is tiresome. In short, you are a classic Nutizen troll with a very blunt ax to grind. Good luck with that -- I doubt you will win many converts with your present approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Suganuma pp.107 as I stated a while back ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why you fail at the art of persuasion. Pg. 107 is unavailable in the link you provide above. Why is it so hard for you to state the basic argument in plain simple language, in your own words? Do you expect me to fly out of the country and visit some library in the U.S. or Tokyo and then get back to you?</p>
<p>As for the Treaty of Shimonoseki, the Senkakus had nothing to do with that. The Senkakus were formally annexed in January 1895, or several months prior to the signing of the Treaty of Shimonoseki. Indeed, Japan began its investigation of the Senkakus a decade earlier, well before the First Sino-Japanese War.</p>
<p>You are turning Beijing Cream into your own personal blog and much of what you write is rambling and incoherent. What I suggest is that you write your own article on your own blog stating why the Diaoyus belong to China, and then you can provide a link here for those who may be interested. </p>
<p>I have a lot of work myself to do, and I am moving on because I do not feel that you are arguing in good faith, and because your debating style is tiresome. In short, you are a classic Nutizen troll with a very blunt ax to grind. Good luck with that &#8212; I doubt you will win many converts with your present approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Did they bother to ask Japan or the people of Okinawa how they felt about it?

That still doesn&#039;t deters that MOFA distorted the article which MOFA stated &quot;explicitly included the Senkaku Islands among the Ryukyu Islands.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Did they bother to ask Japan or the people of Okinawa how they felt about it?</p>
<p>That still doesn&#8217;t deters that MOFA distorted the article which MOFA stated &#8220;explicitly included the Senkaku Islands among the Ryukyu Islands.&#8221;</p>
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