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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;While there is no explicit reference to the character being described as a non-Asian foreigner, the few close calls do lean in that direction. &quot;

On ChinaSmack (I believe) it wasn&#039;t even mentioned that George was Asian (or that his last name was Ding). It was meant to somehow confuse people into thinking Mark Kitto and Charlie Custer (real White Devils who packed their bags) had gone home, failed, then come back to China to look for a job. This is not what happened. George&#039;s piece is fiction... so .. yea.

Once you realize that George Ding is his name, and he is ethnically Chinese, the joke goes nowhere...apart from lining up a list of &#039;anti-laowai&#039; myths about what white guys are doing in China ( I know, crazy right? Working in another country? What&#039;s next, flying cars?) 

By the way, when 90% of your audience is non-Asian, and you do a hit-piece on foreigners, don&#039;t expect a raucous applause. I know. I know. It was meant to be funny. All 6 Chinese guys laughed their asses off.

BTW. If you think being stared at, glared at everywhere you go is a &#039;good thing&#039;, you have no idea what it&#039;s like to be a 洋鬼子 in China. 90% of the time its annoying as hell, and often antagonistic. Being treated like an &#039;outsider&#039; 90% of the time is not a reason to come back to China, it&#039;s a reason to get the hell out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While there is no explicit reference to the character being described as a non-Asian foreigner, the few close calls do lean in that direction. &#8221;</p>
<p>On ChinaSmack (I believe) it wasn&#8217;t even mentioned that George was Asian (or that his last name was Ding). It was meant to somehow confuse people into thinking Mark Kitto and Charlie Custer (real White Devils who packed their bags) had gone home, failed, then come back to China to look for a job. This is not what happened. George&#8217;s piece is fiction&#8230; so .. yea.</p>
<p>Once you realize that George Ding is his name, and he is ethnically Chinese, the joke goes nowhere&#8230;apart from lining up a list of &#8216;anti-laowai&#8217; myths about what white guys are doing in China ( I know, crazy right? Working in another country? What&#8217;s next, flying cars?) </p>
<p>By the way, when 90% of your audience is non-Asian, and you do a hit-piece on foreigners, don&#8217;t expect a raucous applause. I know. I know. It was meant to be funny. All 6 Chinese guys laughed their asses off.</p>
<p>BTW. If you think being stared at, glared at everywhere you go is a &#8216;good thing&#8217;, you have no idea what it&#8217;s like to be a 洋鬼子 in China. 90% of the time its annoying as hell, and often antagonistic. Being treated like an &#8216;outsider&#8217; 90% of the time is not a reason to come back to China, it&#8217;s a reason to get the hell out.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fact that he had to mention in the comments section of his &quot;Why I&#039;m Leaving China&quot; column that it was really just &quot;satire&quot; was a pussy move, and indicates that he lacks the testicular fortitude of all great satirists.

The whole point of satire is to have shit blow up in your face, and thereby expose the stupidity and prejudices of others. Otherwise, why bother?

Satirists who out themselves are shanzhai satirists, and not the real thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that he had to mention in the comments section of his &#8220;Why I&#8217;m Leaving China&#8221; column that it was really just &#8220;satire&#8221; was a pussy move, and indicates that he lacks the testicular fortitude of all great satirists.</p>
<p>The whole point of satire is to have shit blow up in your face, and thereby expose the stupidity and prejudices of others. Otherwise, why bother?</p>
<p>Satirists who out themselves are shanzhai satirists, and not the real thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingleberries</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dingleberries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whenever George writes one of his little &quot;satires&quot; and it blows up in his face, he runs around waving the satire flag, and gets his friends and housemates to post comments defending brave George, chuckling how the haters just don&#039; get it. 

Well, I &quot;get&quot; it but I just don&#039;t think it very funny. 

Take George&#039;s guide to &quot;surviving&quot; the floods this summer. As usual, it appeared weeks after, with all the freshness of month-old durian, and it mocked motorists and pedestrians for their inadequate response. Yo, George, nearly 100 drowned that night. Geddit? No? But it&#039;s satire!! The &#039;leaving China&#039; column duly appeared just after that entire meme had shark-jumped into the ether.  

So, to me the &quot;racism&quot; angle is a total sideshow. The problem is that George fancies himself a wit and The Beijinger is a glossy piece of paper that advertisers use to wipe their behinds – the two are perfectly suited. George&#039;s self-censored &quot;satire&quot; gets rave reviews from his housemates on the site, so long as it doesn&#039;t  ventures into the greater Internet, which always rains a golden shower on George&#039;s parade.  Am I the only one who&#039;s actually wished Kaiser Kuo was back writing his knackered old column, sometimes? Hen, just kidding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever George writes one of his little &#8220;satires&#8221; and it blows up in his face, he runs around waving the satire flag, and gets his friends and housemates to post comments defending brave George, chuckling how the haters just don&#8217; get it. </p>
<p>Well, I &#8220;get&#8221; it but I just don&#8217;t think it very funny. </p>
<p>Take George&#8217;s guide to &#8220;surviving&#8221; the floods this summer. As usual, it appeared weeks after, with all the freshness of month-old durian, and it mocked motorists and pedestrians for their inadequate response. Yo, George, nearly 100 drowned that night. Geddit? No? But it&#8217;s satire!! The &#8216;leaving China&#8217; column duly appeared just after that entire meme had shark-jumped into the ether.  </p>
<p>So, to me the &#8220;racism&#8221; angle is a total sideshow. The problem is that George fancies himself a wit and The Beijinger is a glossy piece of paper that advertisers use to wipe their behinds – the two are perfectly suited. George&#8217;s self-censored &#8220;satire&#8221; gets rave reviews from his housemates on the site, so long as it doesn&#8217;t  ventures into the greater Internet, which always rains a golden shower on George&#8217;s parade.  Am I the only one who&#8217;s actually wished Kaiser Kuo was back writing his knackered old column, sometimes? Hen, just kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Re: I sat</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Re: I sat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pointing at one thing doesn&#039;t necessarily refute problems that Asian-Americans might have. And of course, certainly behavior can give you away but the easiest targets at times of foreign hatred are whites and blacks. That&#039;s why I find it a little disappointing Ding hides behind the argument he&#039;s in the same boat, when his article is met with an online outburst of racism. Let&#039;s face it, drop Eminem in LA 1992 and he is going to have a tough time. No amount of silly hats is going to change that.

Just a note here, I certainly don&#039;t believe Ding intended any of this. It&#039;s just that in the long run it&#039;s not really his ass on the line when reason is lost on those who just like to see what suits their views. The negative view of foreigners is already strong enough and it&#039;s not like hate crimes don&#039;t happen in China. And lest we forget, anti-Japanese sentiment and consequent attacks show that mob mentality lingers on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing at one thing doesn&#8217;t necessarily refute problems that Asian-Americans might have. And of course, certainly behavior can give you away but the easiest targets at times of foreign hatred are whites and blacks. That&#8217;s why I find it a little disappointing Ding hides behind the argument he&#8217;s in the same boat, when his article is met with an online outburst of racism. Let&#8217;s face it, drop Eminem in LA 1992 and he is going to have a tough time. No amount of silly hats is going to change that.</p>
<p>Just a note here, I certainly don&#8217;t believe Ding intended any of this. It&#8217;s just that in the long run it&#8217;s not really his ass on the line when reason is lost on those who just like to see what suits their views. The negative view of foreigners is already strong enough and it&#8217;s not like hate crimes don&#8217;t happen in China. And lest we forget, anti-Japanese sentiment and consequent attacks show that mob mentality lingers on.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, China is at least a decade late to someone else&#039;s party:

http://www.charismaman.com/CMweb_5.98.jpg

Ding&#039;s column wasn&#039;t bad, but lacks the fiery wasabi kick of the original.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, China is at least a decade late to someone else&#8217;s party:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charismaman.com/CMweb_5.98.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.charismaman.com/CMweb_5.98.jpg</a></p>
<p>Ding&#8217;s column wasn&#8217;t bad, but lacks the fiery wasabi kick of the original.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, thanks for diminishing all the struggles that Asian or Asian-American foreigners in China have to go through. The fact that you all assume the article leans towards a non-Asian perspective show&#039;s the inherent bias in your opinion. Asians are an extremely diverse group and can inhabit the same stereotypical laowai behavior as any other race. The fact that someone could even use the term &quot;whiteface&quot; without a trace of irony is shocking. But I guess it really is tough for white people out here, with or without the George Ding&#039;s of the world keeping them down...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for diminishing all the struggles that Asian or Asian-American foreigners in China have to go through. The fact that you all assume the article leans towards a non-Asian perspective show&#8217;s the inherent bias in your opinion. Asians are an extremely diverse group and can inhabit the same stereotypical laowai behavior as any other race. The fact that someone could even use the term &#8220;whiteface&#8221; without a trace of irony is shocking. But I guess it really is tough for white people out here, with or without the George Ding&#8217;s of the world keeping them down&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both of George&#039;s works on this topic were very enjoyable. I feel sorry for those that wasted so much emotion when they failed to &#039;get it.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of George&#8217;s works on this topic were very enjoyable. I feel sorry for those that wasted so much emotion when they failed to &#8216;get it.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Umm.. ew.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umm.. ew.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Ding is a horrible &quot;writer&quot; read any of his posts on The Beijinger to get that awkward feeling of someone trying to do satire but failing miserably. 

The first poster put this well: 

&quot;With articles that could easily be misconstrued as real ramblings, whatever backlash there may be, Ding doesn&#039;t have to worry as he is not part of the foreigners who are easily recognizable in the street. Throwing rocks at people who live in glass houses, claiming you’re one of them as well so it’s fair, while actually your glass is bullet-proof.&quot;

If I (a white man) wrote a &quot;satire&quot; article pretending to be a back man and threw in a bunch of unflattering stereotypes would it still be ok? You are Chinese, George Ding, your articles aren&#039;t funny, they are just tired stereotypes rehashed by a weak writer who sits on both sides of the laowai/Chinese fence depending on which one is &quot;hipper&quot; or safer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Ding is a horrible &#8220;writer&#8221; read any of his posts on The Beijinger to get that awkward feeling of someone trying to do satire but failing miserably. </p>
<p>The first poster put this well: </p>
<p>&#8220;With articles that could easily be misconstrued as real ramblings, whatever backlash there may be, Ding doesn&#8217;t have to worry as he is not part of the foreigners who are easily recognizable in the street. Throwing rocks at people who live in glass houses, claiming you’re one of them as well so it’s fair, while actually your glass is bullet-proof.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I (a white man) wrote a &#8220;satire&#8221; article pretending to be a back man and threw in a bunch of unflattering stereotypes would it still be ok? You are Chinese, George Ding, your articles aren&#8217;t funny, they are just tired stereotypes rehashed by a weak writer who sits on both sides of the laowai/Chinese fence depending on which one is &#8220;hipper&#8221; or safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Re: I sat</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Re: I sat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha. No, I just had never heard of George Ding. I had heard of the whole &quot;I&#039;m leaving China&quot; blogging phenomenon so initially I was expecting another lame-ass article about someone feeling like he has to explain his departure. I can definitely see why the satire was lost on people. And I think Beijingcream is right on the money that it wasn&#039;t taken far enough. I mean, even blogs about leaving China had better comments satirizing the original post.

Although to be fair pushing it too far might have made it inappropriate for the magazine. Not sure if that&#039;s Ding&#039;s fault or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. No, I just had never heard of George Ding. I had heard of the whole &#8220;I&#8217;m leaving China&#8221; blogging phenomenon so initially I was expecting another lame-ass article about someone feeling like he has to explain his departure. I can definitely see why the satire was lost on people. And I think Beijingcream is right on the money that it wasn&#8217;t taken far enough. I mean, even blogs about leaving China had better comments satirizing the original post.</p>
<p>Although to be fair pushing it too far might have made it inappropriate for the magazine. Not sure if that&#8217;s Ding&#8217;s fault or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ander</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214159</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Only because I was told it’s satire before did I manage to notice it.&quot;

You must be a real hoot at parties~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only because I was told it’s satire before did I manage to notice it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You must be a real hoot at parties~</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Chevara</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gay Chevara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whiteface?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whiteface?</p>
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		<title>By: Re: I sat</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2012/12/lost-in-translation-or-is-it-netizens-slam-tbj-george-ding/#comment-214150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Re: I sat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The satire is lost even on those reading it in the original language so it&#039;s not hard to imagine that all of it is lost when presented to a foreign audience. Especially since satire is much less apparent when it&#039;s about people of a different background. Then it starts to look a lot more like bigotry or racism.

Only because I was told it&#039;s satire before did I manage to notice it. The article itself is comprised of exaggerated smaller and larger sins and lies that could easily be believed to be true. Some might deem calling a kennel part of the supply chain of Chinese restaurants satire, but for people back in the west it may as well be seen as a long-hidden truth to their gossip and reason to become more disgruntled.

While there is no explicit reference to the character being described as a non-Asian foreigner, the few close calls do lean in that direction. (&quot;...missed not being the center of attention just because I was foreign.&quot; as well as &quot;a language made up of squiggles&quot;.) With articles that could easily be misconstrued as real ramblings, whatever backlash there may be, Ding doesn&#039;t have to worry as he is not part of the foreigners who are easily recognizable in the street. Throwing rocks at people who live in glass houses, claiming you&#039;re one of them as well so it&#039;s fair, while actually your glass is bullet-proof.

However, I wouldn&#039;t go as far as call Ding a racist. He&#039;s just not a very good writer and his attempt at satire ended up as failed whiteface comedy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The satire is lost even on those reading it in the original language so it&#8217;s not hard to imagine that all of it is lost when presented to a foreign audience. Especially since satire is much less apparent when it&#8217;s about people of a different background. Then it starts to look a lot more like bigotry or racism.</p>
<p>Only because I was told it&#8217;s satire before did I manage to notice it. The article itself is comprised of exaggerated smaller and larger sins and lies that could easily be believed to be true. Some might deem calling a kennel part of the supply chain of Chinese restaurants satire, but for people back in the west it may as well be seen as a long-hidden truth to their gossip and reason to become more disgruntled.</p>
<p>While there is no explicit reference to the character being described as a non-Asian foreigner, the few close calls do lean in that direction. (&#8220;&#8230;missed not being the center of attention just because I was foreign.&#8221; as well as &#8220;a language made up of squiggles&#8221;.) With articles that could easily be misconstrued as real ramblings, whatever backlash there may be, Ding doesn&#8217;t have to worry as he is not part of the foreigners who are easily recognizable in the street. Throwing rocks at people who live in glass houses, claiming you&#8217;re one of them as well so it&#8217;s fair, while actually your glass is bullet-proof.</p>
<p>However, I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as call Ding a racist. He&#8217;s just not a very good writer and his attempt at satire ended up as failed whiteface comedy.</p>
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