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		<title>By: P.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jonathan: 

I can&#039;t reply to your latest comment — there&#039;s no reply button — so I&#039;ll put my response here: 

I agree that the country&#039;s struggling artists could use a boost from high-profile creatives and it&#039;s a question that you should raise with future interview subjects: 

&quot;If Ai Weiwei were to offer an endorsement or other forms of support, would you accept?&quot; 

My instincts say no — &quot;the nail that sticks out gets hammered down&quot; and all. 

Why willingly associate yourself with a lightning rod? The independent music scene is wobbly enough already without guilt by association from outspoken political activists (numerous live music venues in Shanghai were reportedly raided by SWAT teams over the weekend, for example) and a heavily-publicized endorsement and the resulting media coverage may result in intensified scrutiny from the authorities — especially in this current political climate when Party flacks are still jockeying for primo positions in the new administration. 

And on a broader level, I&#039;m sure not if endorsements from domestic celebs would do any good, anyways, unless they came with the strong financial support and dedicated commitment that is necessary to sustain a grassroots organic network designed to support a robust creative community. 

What the scene *really* needs are GONGOs, the &quot;government organized non-governmental organizations&quot; that helped usher in this country&#039;s fledgling environmental NGOs a generation ago, but that&#039;s food for another discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan: </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t reply to your latest comment — there&#8217;s no reply button — so I&#8217;ll put my response here: </p>
<p>I agree that the country&#8217;s struggling artists could use a boost from high-profile creatives and it&#8217;s a question that you should raise with future interview subjects: </p>
<p>&#8220;If Ai Weiwei were to offer an endorsement or other forms of support, would you accept?&#8221; </p>
<p>My instincts say no — &#8220;the nail that sticks out gets hammered down&#8221; and all. </p>
<p>Why willingly associate yourself with a lightning rod? The independent music scene is wobbly enough already without guilt by association from outspoken political activists (numerous live music venues in Shanghai were reportedly raided by SWAT teams over the weekend, for example) and a heavily-publicized endorsement and the resulting media coverage may result in intensified scrutiny from the authorities — especially in this current political climate when Party flacks are still jockeying for primo positions in the new administration. </p>
<p>And on a broader level, I&#8217;m sure not if endorsements from domestic celebs would do any good, anyways, unless they came with the strong financial support and dedicated commitment that is necessary to sustain a grassroots organic network designed to support a robust creative community. </p>
<p>What the scene *really* needs are GONGOs, the &#8220;government organized non-governmental organizations&#8221; that helped usher in this country&#8217;s fledgling environmental NGOs a generation ago, but that&#8217;s food for another discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 00:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t reply to your latest comment — there&#039;s no reply button — so I&#039;ll put my response here: 

I agree that the country&#039;s struggling artists could use a boost from high-profile creatives and it&#039;s a question that you should raise with future interview subjects: 

&quot;If Ai Weiwei were to offer an endorsement or other forms of support, would you accept?&quot; 

My instincts say no — &quot;the nail that sticks out gets hammered down&quot; and all. 

Why willingly associate yourself with a lightning rod? The independent music scene is wobbly enough already without guilt by association from outspoken political activists (numerous live music venues in Shanghai were reportedly raided by SWAT teams over the weekend, for example) and a heavily-publicized endorsement and the resulting media coverage may result in intensified scrutiny from the authorities — especially in this current political climate when Party flacks are still jockeying for primo positions in the new administration. 

And on a broader level, I&#039;m sure not if endorsements from domestic celebs would do any good, anyways, unless they came with the strong financial support and dedicated commitment that is necessary to sustain a grassroots organic network designed to support a robust creative community. 

What the scene *really* needs are GONGOs, the &quot;government organized non-governmental organizations&quot; that helped usher in this country&#039;s fledgling environmental NGOs a generation ago, but that&#039;s food for another discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t reply to your latest comment — there&#8217;s no reply button — so I&#8217;ll put my response here: </p>
<p>I agree that the country&#8217;s struggling artists could use a boost from high-profile creatives and it&#8217;s a question that you should raise with future interview subjects: </p>
<p>&#8220;If Ai Weiwei were to offer an endorsement or other forms of support, would you accept?&#8221; </p>
<p>My instincts say no — &#8220;the nail that sticks out gets hammered down&#8221; and all. </p>
<p>Why willingly associate yourself with a lightning rod? The independent music scene is wobbly enough already without guilt by association from outspoken political activists (numerous live music venues in Shanghai were reportedly raided by SWAT teams over the weekend, for example) and a heavily-publicized endorsement and the resulting media coverage may result in intensified scrutiny from the authorities — especially in this current political climate when Party flacks are still jockeying for primo positions in the new administration. </p>
<p>And on a broader level, I&#8217;m sure not if endorsements from domestic celebs would do any good, anyways, unless they came with the strong financial support and dedicated commitment that is necessary to sustain a grassroots organic network designed to support a robust creative community. </p>
<p>What the scene *really* needs are GONGOs, the &#8220;government organized non-governmental organizations&#8221; that helped usher in this country&#8217;s fledgling environmental NGOs a generation ago, but that&#8217;s food for another discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Alpart</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225428</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Alpart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 15:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[may be a double post] Thanks, man, that means a lot.  By the way, all would be forgiven from my end if AWW used his clout to give a shout out to some Chinese musicians, but AFAIK that hasn&#039;t happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[may be a double post] Thanks, man, that means a lot.  By the way, all would be forgiven from my end if AWW used his clout to give a shout out to some Chinese musicians, but AFAIK that hasn&#8217;t happened.</p>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 14:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. Thanks for chiming in! Looking forward to your 40th dispatch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Thanks for chiming in! Looking forward to your 40th dispatch.</p>
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		<title>By: goldshowerforjesus</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225381</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goldshowerforjesus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe the fat guy with the goattee and speech impediment from that CRI show and Ai Wei Wei could make a video together?  A gay porn film called Two Pigs in a Blanket.  

Where&#039;s the latest 3 Shots episode?  I miss railing on laowais who think they&#039;re the bomb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the fat guy with the goattee and speech impediment from that CRI show and Ai Wei Wei could make a video together?  A gay porn film called Two Pigs in a Blanket.  </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the latest 3 Shots episode?  I miss railing on laowais who think they&#8217;re the bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: RhZ</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RhZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 06:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm...thanks?  I don&#039;t need to meet him to know this, its fairly obvious from his public persona...oh did you just arrive here from Jupiter perhaps?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;thanks?  I don&#8217;t need to meet him to know this, its fairly obvious from his public persona&#8230;oh did you just arrive here from Jupiter perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Principal Alfred F. Connard</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Principal Alfred F. Connard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 04:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;He’s a confrontational person, he likes to push boundries.&quot;

Wow, have you met him?  Oh, and it&#039;s &quot;boundaries.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He’s a confrontational person, he likes to push boundries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, have you met him?  Oh, and it&#8217;s &#8220;boundaries.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RhZ</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RhZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s a confrontational person, he likes to push boundries. Most others are not or cannot afford to be because they will be quickly repressed or imprisoned. Ai has his famous father which provides some protections, others are not so lucky.

Pls do not forget what he was imprisoned / kidnapped for, he was trying to document and count all the children killed during the wenchuan earthquake, and if memory serves he ended up getting illegally detained like a bunch of rights lawyers, all around the same time and clearly part of a campaign to send a message to the community. Although again his family connections provide some protections, not much maybe, but some, so he is better treated in some ways than many. But afaik he still has a bunch of cameras surrounding his house so better treated is not particularly well treated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a confrontational person, he likes to push boundries. Most others are not or cannot afford to be because they will be quickly repressed or imprisoned. Ai has his famous father which provides some protections, others are not so lucky.</p>
<p>Pls do not forget what he was imprisoned / kidnapped for, he was trying to document and count all the children killed during the wenchuan earthquake, and if memory serves he ended up getting illegally detained like a bunch of rights lawyers, all around the same time and clearly part of a campaign to send a message to the community. Although again his family connections provide some protections, not much maybe, but some, so he is better treated in some ways than many. But afaik he still has a bunch of cameras surrounding his house so better treated is not particularly well treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Alpart</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Alpart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree pretty much exactly with what Josh Feola said.

For someone who &quot;doesn&#039;t listen to music&quot; as Ai said, I think it&#039;s an enormously inconsiderate disservice to the thousands of serious musicians in China who are continuously shadowed under Ai&#039;s domineering celebrity.  The song basically starts unlistenable and then gets worse.  He is a terrible singer (not even a singer, just a man singing), and even the song&#039;s production sounds thin and cheap.  The lyrics are juvenile and just abstract enough for any critic to be afraid to say anything for fear of &quot;not getting it.&quot;

What I find interesting is how no one has pointed out how odd it is that a supposed dissident artist who has been in jail - the song being about him being in jail, no less - is allowed to produce an album.

Another interesting thing is that the song sounds excessively &quot;Chinese&quot; or &quot;Oriental.&quot;  This can be great if done well - PK14 being an excellent example of the lead singer using Chinese styles and cadence in a pure rock format - but here it sounds like a Beijing Opera melody was simply injected in, or &quot;phoned in&quot; as Feola put it.  Again, the western press that fawns over everything Ai does will probably profess to enjoy and praise the singing as something exotic - while having zero understanding of Chinese rock music - when in reality there are many other bands that sound equally &quot;Chinese&quot; while still being listenable, original and beautiful.

The Aimperor wears no headphones!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree pretty much exactly with what Josh Feola said.</p>
<p>For someone who &#8220;doesn&#8217;t listen to music&#8221; as Ai said, I think it&#8217;s an enormously inconsiderate disservice to the thousands of serious musicians in China who are continuously shadowed under Ai&#8217;s domineering celebrity.  The song basically starts unlistenable and then gets worse.  He is a terrible singer (not even a singer, just a man singing), and even the song&#8217;s production sounds thin and cheap.  The lyrics are juvenile and just abstract enough for any critic to be afraid to say anything for fear of &#8220;not getting it.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find interesting is how no one has pointed out how odd it is that a supposed dissident artist who has been in jail &#8211; the song being about him being in jail, no less &#8211; is allowed to produce an album.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing is that the song sounds excessively &#8220;Chinese&#8221; or &#8220;Oriental.&#8221;  This can be great if done well &#8211; PK14 being an excellent example of the lead singer using Chinese styles and cadence in a pure rock format &#8211; but here it sounds like a Beijing Opera melody was simply injected in, or &#8220;phoned in&#8221; as Feola put it.  Again, the western press that fawns over everything Ai does will probably profess to enjoy and praise the singing as something exotic &#8211; while having zero understanding of Chinese rock music &#8211; when in reality there are many other bands that sound equally &#8220;Chinese&#8221; while still being listenable, original and beautiful.</p>
<p>The Aimperor wears no headphones!</p>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/how-is-ai-weiweis-musicality-we-asked-chinese-music-experts/#comment-225282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 15:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s your critical reaction to the song, Jonathan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your critical reaction to the song, Jonathan?</p>
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		<title>By: SeaHorse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SeaHorse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 15:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Far from it. In terms of fine arts, people say Sui Jianguo is the most active artist in all of China. Most known probably for his neon colour Mao suits. Ai is not even the most valuable artist in China, I think Zhang Xiaogang and Min Yuejun would probably be much more expensive at Sotheby&#039;s. And those are just the big Damien-Hirst-esque names.

The thing is Ai gots the best media appeal. He knows English so he can tweet, he&#039;s a dissident who&#039;s been to jail, and he has foreign contacts. Not saying he&#039;s not a good artist, but saying English is a pretty big freakin&#039; deal for a Chinese artist if you&#039;re gonna schmooze with western critics. Once read an article where a Chinese art critic complained about an article he read by a western counterpart who called a certain artist  the leader of the Chinese Avant-Garde when his greatest skill is speaking English really well and pretending his work is a profound declaration against the totalitarian system of the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far from it. In terms of fine arts, people say Sui Jianguo is the most active artist in all of China. Most known probably for his neon colour Mao suits. Ai is not even the most valuable artist in China, I think Zhang Xiaogang and Min Yuejun would probably be much more expensive at Sotheby&#8217;s. And those are just the big Damien-Hirst-esque names.</p>
<p>The thing is Ai gots the best media appeal. He knows English so he can tweet, he&#8217;s a dissident who&#8217;s been to jail, and he has foreign contacts. Not saying he&#8217;s not a good artist, but saying English is a pretty big freakin&#8217; deal for a Chinese artist if you&#8217;re gonna schmooze with western critics. Once read an article where a Chinese art critic complained about an article he read by a western counterpart who called a certain artist  the leader of the Chinese Avant-Garde when his greatest skill is speaking English really well and pretending his work is a profound declaration against the totalitarian system of the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Alpart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Alpart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 09:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you click my name it will take you to my show about REAL Chinese rock musicians.  The 40th episode will go online this Friday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you click my name it will take you to my show about REAL Chinese rock musicians.  The 40th episode will go online this Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: holyshit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[holyshit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 08:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Ai Wei Wei the only Chinese artist doing anything in China?  I&#039;m not that familiar with BJC, but has this website ever written about other Chinese artists?  I saw his documentary &quot;Never Sorry,&quot; and after listening to his &quot;metal&quot; song he should apologize.  

Maybe you could get him to do a an episode of 3 Shots?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Ai Wei Wei the only Chinese artist doing anything in China?  I&#8217;m not that familiar with BJC, but has this website ever written about other Chinese artists?  I saw his documentary &#8220;Never Sorry,&#8221; and after listening to his &#8220;metal&#8221; song he should apologize.  </p>
<p>Maybe you could get him to do a an episode of 3 Shots?</p>
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		<title>By: bag-o-dicks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bag-o-dicks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 02:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really.</p>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s up to the style guide, grammar dorks. Thanks for commenting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s up to the style guide, grammar dorks. Thanks for commenting!</p>
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