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	<title>Comments on: Xinjiang&#8217;s Deputy Governor Holds A Somewhat Simplistic Notion Of His Region&#8217;s Ethnic Minority</title>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 11:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Days of Meat &amp; Wine hits theaters on Friday. Rated R for scenes of pervasive offered enticements, graphic song and dance and other disharmonious behavior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Days of Meat &amp; Wine hits theaters on Friday. Rated R for scenes of pervasive offered enticements, graphic song and dance and other disharmonious behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: RhZ</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RhZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 04:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The funniest scene is when the officials go to the locals&#039; homes on ramadan and make the locals eat some food in the daytime through various threats or offered enticements. Hilarity ensues!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funniest scene is when the officials go to the locals&#8217; homes on ramadan and make the locals eat some food in the daytime through various threats or offered enticements. Hilarity ensues!</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225353</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 01:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;When the CCP says “China’s feelings are hurt” they are pretending to speak for everyone, but they don’t.&quot;

True enough, since nation-states don&#039;t have &quot;feelings,&quot; they only have &quot;interests.&quot;

The problem, in the case of China and perhaps other nation-states in East Asia, is that the notions of nation as ethnos and nation as state are often confused and commingled. On top of that, the mainland Chinese state and government are essentially same, rendering nation or ethnos, state and government one huge, undifferentiated mass.

More simply put, the CCP exists in the world as a kind of open wound that reacts violently to even the slightest touch or prodding by others. The very definition of a reactionary disposition, in other words.

Mainland China will never emerge as a fully mature modern nation-state until its government and state are more clearly distinguished and separated, as are its ethnic nation and state apparatus. Moreover, the Chinese ethnic nation should not merely be code for Han domination of all other minorities, despite whatever pretty words or &quot;song and dance&quot; routines officials like Shi Dagang may offer up for public consumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the CCP says “China’s feelings are hurt” they are pretending to speak for everyone, but they don’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>True enough, since nation-states don&#8217;t have &#8220;feelings,&#8221; they only have &#8220;interests.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem, in the case of China and perhaps other nation-states in East Asia, is that the notions of nation as ethnos and nation as state are often confused and commingled. On top of that, the mainland Chinese state and government are essentially same, rendering nation or ethnos, state and government one huge, undifferentiated mass.</p>
<p>More simply put, the CCP exists in the world as a kind of open wound that reacts violently to even the slightest touch or prodding by others. The very definition of a reactionary disposition, in other words.</p>
<p>Mainland China will never emerge as a fully mature modern nation-state until its government and state are more clearly distinguished and separated, as are its ethnic nation and state apparatus. Moreover, the Chinese ethnic nation should not merely be code for Han domination of all other minorities, despite whatever pretty words or &#8220;song and dance&#8221; routines officials like Shi Dagang may offer up for public consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: narsfweasels</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[narsfweasels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;On the other hand, yay Reuters for once again referring to one person’s comments as a collective “China.” Good work. Goood work.&quot;

That&#039;s the thing though, isn&#039;t it? When the CCP says &quot;China&#039;s feelings are hurt&quot; they are pretending to speak for everyone, but they don&#039;t. When the government says &quot;Japan needs to repent for its war crimes&quot; they invariably mean every Japanese person in the world needs to kneel down and beg for forgiveness even though it was only one mayopr of one minor prefecture that made the remark. 

Reuters is wrong for committing the same fallacy of equivocation, but it&#039;s a bit hard not to when &quot;China bashing&quot; is basically levelled at everyone who criticises the Chinese Comedy Party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the other hand, yay Reuters for once again referring to one person’s comments as a collective “China.” Good work. Goood work.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing though, isn&#8217;t it? When the CCP says &#8220;China&#8217;s feelings are hurt&#8221; they are pretending to speak for everyone, but they don&#8217;t. When the government says &#8220;Japan needs to repent for its war crimes&#8221; they invariably mean every Japanese person in the world needs to kneel down and beg for forgiveness even though it was only one mayopr of one minor prefecture that made the remark. </p>
<p>Reuters is wrong for committing the same fallacy of equivocation, but it&#8217;s a bit hard not to when &#8220;China bashing&#8221; is basically levelled at everyone who criticises the Chinese Comedy Party.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225345</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 23:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Well, if he’s commenting on relations between Han and Uyghur “cadres,” at least, then he’s probably right.&quot;

Not too sure how much &quot;fraternization&quot; goes on between Han and Uyghur cadres at local dinner parties and KTVs, as this passage on the Xinjiang
Production and Construction Corps or &quot;bingtuan&quot; makes clear: 

&quot;The bingtuan are characteristic of what Wang calls the colonial economy of Xinjiang. Entirely controlled by Han officials, they exert severe pressure on cotton prices, forcing impoverished farmers to sell cotton below market price for the benefit of the bingtuan system. Wang concludes that the system has no economic efficiency, and its continued existence
is only justified to keep paying the pensions of its
430,000 retired workers, and more particularly as a rampart against “instability.” Thus, most of the interviewees he speaks to clearly believe that the subsidies Xinjiang receives from the Centre do not make up for the cheap “exports” Xinjiang delivers to Eastern China. A friend called Z in Urumchi points out that Xinjiang’s natural gas is sold for the same price in Shanghai as in Xinjiang: the government thus
appropriates Xinjiang’s natural resources without offering any form of reparation for the pollution and environmental impact of resource exploitation (p. 246). Similarly, a farmer near Yengisar points out that electricity costs 0.85 RMB/KWh, which is double the price in Beijing (p. 136). This feeling of exploitation and disenfranchisement is compounded by the monopoly of positions of responsibility exercised
by Han officials, who manipulate village elections,
use their positions to extend advantages to their family and friends, and devise projects that are incomprehensible to local farmers (p. 139). Mokhtar underlines that in a situation in which all local officials are Han, their distribution of land leases always gives preferential treatment to their family, friends and people from Eastern China, while the local population feels progressively excluded from their land (p. 380). By way of contrast, Wang has pointed out in his
research on Tibet that the key point of Zhao Ziyang’s goodwill policy of the early 1980s was forcing Han cadres to step aside and hand over their positions to Tibetan cadres. Mokhtar emphasises that officials sent to Xinjiang have always promoted their own interests. Huge building projects are all carried out by companies from inner China who bring their own migrant workers, preventing any trickle-down for
the local population from the “Great development of the West” (Xibu dakaifa) policy (p. 278). China has the largest highways in the world, he concludes: are they meant to develop Southern Xinjiang or simply to allow the army better control? (p. 278)&quot;

Source: http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/4243?file=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, if he’s commenting on relations between Han and Uyghur “cadres,” at least, then he’s probably right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not too sure how much &#8220;fraternization&#8221; goes on between Han and Uyghur cadres at local dinner parties and KTVs, as this passage on the Xinjiang<br />
Production and Construction Corps or &#8220;bingtuan&#8221; makes clear: </p>
<p>&#8220;The bingtuan are characteristic of what Wang calls the colonial economy of Xinjiang. Entirely controlled by Han officials, they exert severe pressure on cotton prices, forcing impoverished farmers to sell cotton below market price for the benefit of the bingtuan system. Wang concludes that the system has no economic efficiency, and its continued existence<br />
is only justified to keep paying the pensions of its<br />
430,000 retired workers, and more particularly as a rampart against “instability.” Thus, most of the interviewees he speaks to clearly believe that the subsidies Xinjiang receives from the Centre do not make up for the cheap “exports” Xinjiang delivers to Eastern China. A friend called Z in Urumchi points out that Xinjiang’s natural gas is sold for the same price in Shanghai as in Xinjiang: the government thus<br />
appropriates Xinjiang’s natural resources without offering any form of reparation for the pollution and environmental impact of resource exploitation (p. 246). Similarly, a farmer near Yengisar points out that electricity costs 0.85 RMB/KWh, which is double the price in Beijing (p. 136). This feeling of exploitation and disenfranchisement is compounded by the monopoly of positions of responsibility exercised<br />
by Han officials, who manipulate village elections,<br />
use their positions to extend advantages to their family and friends, and devise projects that are incomprehensible to local farmers (p. 139). Mokhtar underlines that in a situation in which all local officials are Han, their distribution of land leases always gives preferential treatment to their family, friends and people from Eastern China, while the local population feels progressively excluded from their land (p. 380). By way of contrast, Wang has pointed out in his<br />
research on Tibet that the key point of Zhao Ziyang’s goodwill policy of the early 1980s was forcing Han cadres to step aside and hand over their positions to Tibetan cadres. Mokhtar emphasises that officials sent to Xinjiang have always promoted their own interests. Huge building projects are all carried out by companies from inner China who bring their own migrant workers, preventing any trickle-down for<br />
the local population from the “Great development of the West” (Xibu dakaifa) policy (p. 278). China has the largest highways in the world, he concludes: are they meant to develop Southern Xinjiang or simply to allow the army better control? (p. 278)&#8221;</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/4243?file=1" rel="nofollow">http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/4243?file=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jess]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 16:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if he&#039;s commenting on relations between Han and Uyghur &quot;cadres,&quot; at least, then he&#039;s probably right. Ethnicity, I&#039;ve found, is no divide when it comes to splurging public funds on food and entertainment, especially so far from Beijing.

On the other hand, yay Reuters for once again referring to one person&#039;s comments as a collective &quot;China.&quot; Good work. Goood work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if he&#8217;s commenting on relations between Han and Uyghur &#8220;cadres,&#8221; at least, then he&#8217;s probably right. Ethnicity, I&#8217;ve found, is no divide when it comes to splurging public funds on food and entertainment, especially so far from Beijing.</p>
<p>On the other hand, yay Reuters for once again referring to one person&#8217;s comments as a collective &#8220;China.&#8221; Good work. Goood work.</p>
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		<title>By: P.</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would make a good screenplay:

Bumbling PR rep gets more than he bargained for when sent to China&#039;s restive Xinjiang Province for the job of a lifetime! 

** Starring Ken Jeong as Bumbling PR Rep, Feng Gong as Deputy Guv&#039;na Shi Dagang, Andy Lau as the Central Committee Party Figure and Fan Bingbing as the Reporter with a Conscience, with Comic Book Guy as the voice of the faceless online hordes. **]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would make a good screenplay:</p>
<p>Bumbling PR rep gets more than he bargained for when sent to China&#8217;s restive Xinjiang Province for the job of a lifetime! </p>
<p>** Starring Ken Jeong as Bumbling PR Rep, Feng Gong as Deputy Guv&#8217;na Shi Dagang, Andy Lau as the Central Committee Party Figure and Fan Bingbing as the Reporter with a Conscience, with Comic Book Guy as the voice of the faceless online hordes. **</p>
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		<title>By: name</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[name]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 11:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s quite a lot of literature on the subject, starting from the great work of Dru Gladney

http://www.ou.edu/uschina/gries/articles/texts/Gladney.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s quite a lot of literature on the subject, starting from the great work of Dru Gladney</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ou.edu/uschina/gries/articles/texts/Gladney.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ou.edu/uschina/gries/articles/texts/Gladney.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[King Baeksu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 11:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“There is mutual respect by Han cadres and ethnic minorities, and we are friends. When we go into their houses as guests we are treated to meat and wine, with song and dance.”

That&#039;s what most local language-mill owners say about their native English teachers, right?

“Those minority of people, the violent terrorists, ethnic splittists and religions extremists who want to cause trouble, their organizations are all outside the country, as are their backers behind the scenes,” Shi said.

As a proud American, the next time people here ask me my nationality, I&#039;m going to tell them, &quot;I&#039;m from the Great Backer Behind the Scenes.&quot;

And then bust out in song and dance, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There is mutual respect by Han cadres and ethnic minorities, and we are friends. When we go into their houses as guests we are treated to meat and wine, with song and dance.”</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what most local language-mill owners say about their native English teachers, right?</p>
<p>“Those minority of people, the violent terrorists, ethnic splittists and religions extremists who want to cause trouble, their organizations are all outside the country, as are their backers behind the scenes,” Shi said.</p>
<p>As a proud American, the next time people here ask me my nationality, I&#8217;m going to tell them, &#8220;I&#8217;m from the Great Backer Behind the Scenes.&#8221;</p>
<p>And then bust out in song and dance, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: bag-o-dicks</title>
		<link>http://beijingcream.com/2013/05/xinjiang-deputy-gov-holds-simplistic-notion-of-ethnic-minority/#comment-225240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bag-o-dicks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 May 2013 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chinese ethnic minorities can&#039;t get enough of singing and dancing. Must be all the harmony going to their heads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese ethnic minorities can&#8217;t get enough of singing and dancing. Must be all the harmony going to their heads.</p>
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